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Old 02-17-2008, 08:29 AM   #1
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Unhappy nothing works


Skip the intro, if you like:
Nearly 6months ago, I moved house, and as a result disconnected my pc(debian sid x86_64) from the internet. At that time, everything was working as it should, I could even play games using ati's driver/flash worked, everything went nice and smooth. But exactly one day before I packed up the pc, I updated debian, breaking nearly everything I had installed. I had to live with this ever since, until recently. Now I'm back on the net. The first thing I did was update everything, an of course a lot of things that had been broken now work. But a lot of things don't.

Now I normally don't whine like this, but I'm feeling a little fobbed.

I cannot compile wine - it complains about missing '-dev' packages, these are and forever have been installed.
I cannot install flash - nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found, this I can still remember being a problem like a year ago.
I cannot install ati's driver - the fglrxmodule fails to build without apparent reason, a process wich worked flawlessly even on my 'broken' debian.

So my question, anybody else experiencing 'bad-behaviour' on the debian 64bit front? Similar problems? Or is it just me...
 
Old 02-17-2008, 09:12 AM   #2
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No, my 64 bit system is stable, but then, I don't use the Unstable branch like you do. And: I don't use Wine, Flash or an ATI videocard I think your best bet is to back up your data and start again on Etch, perhaps Lenny if you really have too...

My
 
Old 02-17-2008, 09:45 AM   #3
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I agree with Dutch Master. I'm also a Slackware user so I really like stability, security. I have two Slackware boxes and one Debian Etch box at home. Etch never crashes, locks up. Etch is a rock, stable as hell. I have 9 Etch boxes at work:-)
I'd go with Etch, if you need to maybe upgrade to Lenny.
 
Old 02-17-2008, 12:47 PM   #4
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I'm seriously considering running a fresh install. But its strange, my box always was sort of 'on the edge', but I like it that way. But now, I'm having to deal with problems that I had ages ago, regression so to speak.

But I really don't want to kill my system, I mean it started out as a mere 'etch-ling', then still fresh from the testing branch, nowhere near stable. And I've nurtured and nursed it to slowly become my little baby, and now I feel like...ohh no

Its a sad world, it seems...
 
Old 02-17-2008, 01:14 PM   #5
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One thing about Linux that is nice is that you can easily reinstall it if it makes trouble. Have a separate /home and it's even easier. And if you have loads of apps, make a list of them (or script for your favourite package manager, if you like) that you can use to automatically reinstall them over the internet once your system is back online. E-A-S-Y.

Oh, and don't fix a working thing. If your system if important to you, you have backups, and you can then make a reinstallation if something goes wrong. If the system works, don't upgrade it just because of new version numbers. If you want to upgrade, take new backups and go on - and remember that if trouble come, you can always do a clean reinstallation.

Debian and it's derivatives can make your life a pain if you get the package system messed up it's easy and nice when it works, and difficult and ugly when it doesn't.

Slackware, and even better BLFS, make your life a dream (but with a price - you need to do it yourself).


If and when you get your system into a state where it works and you like it that way, spend a small sum of money to a backup media (it is _not_ expensive these days, and never if you consider your data important at all) and take a backup of the system. If you can, a dd image is an easy way of making an exact backup, but it surely does eat up space, and you would want the media be identical to the original where you put the backup back if you need to do it. Anyway - backup. Backup. And backup. Just make your system such that you can wipe it out and put your backup in any moment, in the middle of the night if it's needed.
 
Old 02-17-2008, 02:43 PM   #6
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hungrigerhaifisch View Post
Now I normally don't whine like this, but I'm feeling a little fobbed.

I cannot compile wine - it complains about missing '-dev' packages, these are and forever have been installed.
Ahh, a wine whine!

In which case there is probably something wrong with your path. I'm guessing that it tries to use, e.g., a compiler, and when the compile command is issued that doesn't resolve to a program that exists, whether that's fundamentally because the compiler is in the wrong place (probably unlikely) or the path is not correctly set up, or some component of the system is not there at all. Have you tried issuing compile commands manually, to debug?

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I cannot install flash - nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found, this I can still remember being a problem like a year ago.
AFAIK, there never was a 64 bit version of flash. This is proprietary software, so if the software supplier doesn't want to to fix this, you are stuffed...

OTOH, I think there is a fix/work around to use the 32 bit version, but you'll have to do a search to find it (personally, I don't like flash for precisely this reason...but its now under the Adobe umberella, so things might change).

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I cannot install ati's driver - the fglrxmodule fails to build without apparent reason, a process wich worked flawlessly even on my 'broken' debian.
Maybe back to a path problem???
 
Old 02-17-2008, 03:23 PM   #7
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One thing about Linux that is nice is that you can easily reinstall it if it makes trouble. Have a separate /home and it's even easier. And if you have loads of apps, make a list of them (or script for your favourite package manager, if you like)
You do this with
Code:
dpkg --get-selections > selection.list
and when the new system is installed:
Code:
dpkg --set-selections < selection.list
dselect install
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Originally Posted by hungrigerhaifisch
But I really don't want to kill my system, I mean it started out as a mere 'etch-ling', then still fresh from the testing branch, nowhere near stable. And I've nurtured and nursed it to slowly become my little baby, and now I feel like...ohh no
Upgrading from Etch-testing to Etch-stable was not the best example of the stunning capabilities of the Debian packaging system. That is, sometimes it failed, especially this upgrade. It still have some machines around where the upgrade worked for 99% -- it is the 1% that bugs me.

One thing which might help you without doing a full re-install is to apt-get --purge remove as many packages as possible. Those which are not necessary to run the kernel, the network, bash and apt, and reinstall those. Do not care about configuration files which get deleted. Many didn't survive the testing -> stable phase of Etch anyway, most notoriously KDE config files. If you want make a copy of the /etc directory so you can peek back how they were. Hopefully you did store all your configs there.

jlinkels
 
Old 02-17-2008, 05:46 PM   #8
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Thanks for all your good advice.
I definitely will look into 'dselect-scripting', cause as I read it, this file should be portable to other machines, which would make my life a lot easier...

@salasi, Regarding flash nspluginwrapper is a tool which allows you to use 32bit compiled plugins (such as flash) in a 64bit environment, this normally works fine, normally...
Regarding wine, I've been compiling wine for ages now(the version in debian is always relatively outdated), and this always has worked. Suddenly the configure script is complaining about missing packages(these are installed however). this happens not only on the newest wine version. here is the error message:
Code:
configure: libxcomposite development files not found, Xcomposite won't be supported.
configure: libhal development files not found, no dynamic device support.
configure: lib(n)curses development files not found, curses won't be supported.
configure: libsane development files not found, scanners won't be supported.
configure: libgphoto2 development files not found, digital cameras won't be supported.
configure: libldap (OpenLDAP) development files not found, LDAP won't be supported.
configure: libcapi20 development files not found, ISDN won't be supported.
configure: libcups development files not found, CUPS won't be supported.
configure: OpenSSL development files not found, SSL won't be supported.
configure: libpng development files not found, PNG won't be supported.
trying to compile anyway results in failure.
Now while I doubt this is a 'path' problem, it came to me, that wine, flash and ati's driver all depend at some point on 32bit libraries.
Now I've read somewhere that the linux32-package has been changed to util-linux, and I checked, and this is truly what I have installed now. So I'm guessing that my problems are arising from this transition, but I could be wrong.

So anyone else on debian x86_64 SID (I think I was misunderstood at somepoint) who cannot use/install/compile flash/fglrx/wine ??
 
Old 02-18-2008, 01:37 AM   #9
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Thanks for all your good advice.
I definitely will look into 'dselect-scripting', cause as I read it, this file should be portable to other machines, which would make my life a lot easier...
Yes it is, I do it all the time when installing a new machine.

The 32 bit libs are ia32-libs. I used them succesfully for installing Skype on my AMD64.

If you are used to Wine and you prefer that ok. It is no reason to abandon Wine just because it doesn't compile. But have you considered using a virtual machine? I recently installed VirtualBox after being a VMWare user for a long time. I am very satisfied, it is much smaller that VMWare, memory managements seems to be better and it is less complicated. For just running a few Windows apps you don't need something complicated.

jlinkels
 
Old 02-18-2008, 06:42 AM   #10
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I tried Virtualbox a while back, and it was indeed a relatively satisfying experience. I ditched it though, because I can, if needed, dualboot into xp.
But I try to use wine whenever possible, and in the last couple of months this has been the case more often than not.

Oh well...I'll just wait and see what happens the next few days...
 
  


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