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Old 08-14-2003, 02:52 PM   #1
figgypower
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Exclamation Libranet question


Not sure this is the right place, but Libranet is a Debian based distro. I'm a newbie when it comes to Linux, but I'm familiar with computers. I know VB, HTML, a little C++, etc. and some of the computer EE, as well as basic hardware (scratch assembly, repair). I'm not afraid to spend some time reading and experimenting, either. Though, for the most part I've used DOS and Windows; the only time I've had any contact with any *nix was remote managing small web sites.

I've played with Knoppix, and I intend on trying Mandrake and SuSE, but AFAIK the latter two are RedHat based. I'm really interested in apt-get which sounds much better then "dependency hell" with RPM based. Debian also seems to be a nice performer and easy to maintain, however, its difficult installation scares me.

This is why I'm attracted to Libranet. I like the reviews I've read, especially the "easy" recompile kernel feature. The one I choose, I will definitely support, but I do want the option to check it out before "buying". As I understand, Libranet is GNU/Linux or GPL, so where are the ISOs? The only thing I found are demo CDs for v2.7, which seems to have a few noticeable differences than v2.8 that I would like to check out. Is it good enough to just buy it? I do get a student discount.

Would I be capable of making my own Libranet-like distro? I know I can install Knoppix on the hard drives, so should I opt for that. Or, should I go ahead and jump into Debian? Any other recommendations? Thanks in advance.
 
Old 08-14-2003, 03:52 PM   #2
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Libranet no longer offers free ISO's, so there is no legal way to download them, although they are probably available on p2p networks. I would suggest purchasing the full version if you want to buy it. Check out the comparison of the 2.7 and 2.8 versions carefully on libranet's website. There are some major things stripped out (like console tools) of the 2.7 version.

I have installed Knoppix to the hard drive on both a laptop and desktop. It works great and I think it is the best way to go to install a free debian system easily. You won't have Libranet's adminmenu which is a big minus, but otherwise you can have a Debian system and use apt-get to install software and choose from thousands of Debian packages.

There are tools similar to apt-get for RPM-based distribution. RedHat has apt-for-rpm and Mandrake has urpmi. My favorite is Mandrake. Since you are planning on trying it, you should try the Mandrake Control Center for system configuration. It doesn't have the "easy" kernel recompile of Libranet's adminmenu, but it has a lot of great tools. After installation, you should set up urpmi following the instructions here:

http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/

You computer will then automatically download and install rpms from the internet and automatically handle dependencies when you selct software from the control center. I think it is effectively as good as apt-get. Good luck.
 
Old 08-22-2003, 01:21 AM   #3
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Actually, just as a quick note, Libranet does offer ISO downloads for their 2nd to latest version.

So, for example (and as it stands right now) Libranet 2.8.1 is availible for purchase (both ISO and CD) or you can download a single ISO of Libranet 2.7 which is now known as Libranet 2.7-Classic.

They do this for all of their releases. So, probably, when Libranet 2.9 comes out, Libranet 2.8.x will be a free ISO download. I believe, though, that certain applications are stripped from the original version when they release it as a classic version. I could be wrong.
 
Old 08-22-2003, 05:53 AM   #4
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You're right lunardreamr. Libranet was offering the "classic" version for sale at a lower price ($24.95 I think), but now the've started allowing free downloads again. Yeah!
 
Old 08-22-2003, 08:13 PM   #5
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Aloha-
I too am a newbie to the *nix world and have tried many forms to see what they were about and how well they handeled the hardware I had at the time. What I am trying to get to is that I have had great success with all debian based distros and the one I like the most is Libranet 2.8. The reason is simple it works ! I have it running on my desktop and laptop. I think if you are looking for a desktop style disto its the best.

just my two cents

dag33k

ps. I did pay for mine (first time)
 
Old 08-23-2003, 02:07 PM   #6
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I've been using libranet since v-1.2.1 and have customized libranet 2.0-essentials (free version) running on three or four machines currently, I just installed one yesterday.

I use up to date sources.list URI's to get the few backported packages I want and have been very satisfied, adminmenu and xadminmenu are great tools although recently debconf has made debian (plain vanilla) just about as easy. Make sure to look at libranet's Support Database for tips, it's at: http://www.libranet.com/support/support.cgi

HTH

~rock
 
Old 08-26-2003, 07:22 PM   #7
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I've got a question. Do any of you know, if I download & install the current free version (2.7) of Libranet, can I, using apt-get, effectively update 2.7 to 2.8.1? Does the 2.7 version have access to the most current versions of Libranet packages, like the xadminmenu and so on?
 
Old 08-26-2003, 07:44 PM   #8
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No, you would apt-get up to the latest Debian version, whatever you pick (stable, testing,unstable).


My suggestion if you want to learn linux, don't use GUI config tools. They dont work as well, and it doesnt teach you anything.

For example, if you become proficient in Xadminmenu and then one day you use a different distro, you will have no idea what to do. You want to learn the standard Console way of doing things, its much easier.


I would suggest Knoppix or Morphix too. They are more up to date, are standard Debian, and have great Hardware detection.


But you can get APT for Redhat/Suse too. It doesnt work as well, but its ok.
 
Old 08-26-2003, 08:51 PM   #9
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Quote:
Originally posted by olorin12
I've got a question. Do any of you know, if I download & install the current free version (2.7) of Libranet, can I, using apt-get, effectively update 2.7 to 2.8.1? Does the 2.7 version have access to the most current versions of Libranet packages, like the xadminmenu and so on?
You can get any debian packages to the same or beyond 2.8 (if you wish by using the proper sources.lisr URI's), but only "security" upgrades are available for the libranet packages.

I don't use adminmenu and xadminmenu nearly as much as I did prior to the addition of debconf, instead of using (x)adminmenu to set up X, you can use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to do the same, and then if you ever get on a debian box you are familiar with the debian way not just the libranet way, or you could use xf86config and do it the standard linux way. I prefer to set up my hardware manually as much as possible, could be from my slackware past...

As far as running a knoppix hd install I have done it with many releases, and to be honest, I have not had great results, some versions were OK others had problems. I just did a OverClockix hd install (uses knoppix 3.2-6/6 release I think) it has the best fonts of the 3.2 knoppix releases, but it runs slower than my woody systems built starting with libranet 2.0. (All of my computers are salvaged boxes, most AMD k2 300-400's.) Also remember knoppix is built to be ran as a live distro, and what you are doing is copying a running system to your hd, not exactly the best, knoppix is wonderful as far as testing your hardware to see if it is linux compatible and as a live system, but it is not the optimal hd install as far as I'm concerned.

BTW, apt-get .org is a great place to search for unofficial packages.

~rock
 
Old 08-26-2003, 09:11 PM   #10
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you are so correct about using console. I started with redhat 5.2 and 6.0 and learned lots. then i went to mandrake 7.2, 8.0 and learned that mandrake installs nicely but takes away all need to learn. rpm hell was hell also. then i tried debian woody, upgraded to unstable and haven't looked back. I still use GUI, but debian makes learning console a necessity... and a joy.
 
Old 08-26-2003, 10:09 PM   #11
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My personal take on this is that Libranet is absolutely one of the very best choices you could possibly make, particularly if you're interested in learning Debian GNU/Linux software.

I first started using Libranet 1.9.1, which was given to me to help me get into Debian a bit quicker. I also wrote a techical review for Libranet 2.0 and 2.7 and gave them high marks.

Personally, I use a highly customized, regularly updated version of Libranet 2.0. I've updated kernels, gobs of applications, and today it is a combination of a Woody, Sarge, and SID system.

I purchased Libranet 2.7 and a friend sent me a copy of Libranet 2.8 and I installed both of them, but I still run off my Libranet 2.0 system because it's probably newer, in most applications than Libranet 2.8, or even 2.8.1.

So you can start with any release, then upgrade it.

I can understand wanting to try it out first, then if you like it, do more wtih it. I'd recommend trying it, but if you like it, buy a copy, even if you stick wtih the earlier version. This company deserves our support!
 
  


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