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Old 09-21-2017, 11:19 PM   #1
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Is Debian with default SysVinit in future?


Hi,

About Debian, I would like to ask if SysVinit will be again by default in the future?

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Old 09-22-2017, 12:13 AM   #2
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No, Debian voted to adopt SystemD.
 
Old 09-22-2017, 12:56 AM   #3
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No, Debian voted to adopt SystemD.
I believe that Debian will someday go back to SysV, since SysD is not according to GNU, GPL,...

RedHat <=> Libre ?

more info here for instance:
https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014...ed-by-the-nsa/
 
Old 09-22-2017, 08:16 AM   #4
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I believe that Debian will someday go back to SysV, since SysD is not according to GNU, GPL,...

RedHat <=> Libre ?

more info here for instance:
https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014...ed-by-the-nsa/
SystemD is fully Gnu compliant, it is specifically released under the LGPL 2.1 license. Wherever you read it doesn't comply with the GNU, GPL needs to get their facts straight.

There's a huge difference between good, and not compliant. Sure, systemd is junk, but it complies with GNU & FSF guidelines.
 
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SystemD is fully Gnu compliant, it is specifically released under the LGPL 2.1 license. Wherever you read it doesn't comply with the GNU, GPL needs to get their facts straight.

There's a huge difference between good, and not compliant. Sure, systemd is junk, but it complies with GNU & FSF guidelines.
Do you think that this guy approves , who maybe important leader, SysD? I may doubt a bit.
 
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Doesn't matter. It's compliant. End of story.

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Old 09-23-2017, 08:58 PM   #7
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If you don't want SystemD but do want Debian, take a look at Devuan.

I've tested it, though I don't use it regularly, and it seems to work just fine.
 
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No, Debian voted to adopt SystemD.
Eh, sort of: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=120652
 
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Protests to the contrary notwithstanding, SystemD in Debian does indeed seem to be a Done Deal. Wishful thinking is seldom a foundation for reasonable action.

I'm running Debian Sid on that computer over there.-------------------> I have reconciled myself to the idea that I must learn SystemD. Fortunately, there are a number of excellent tutorials on YouTube.

I am not a fan of SystemD for a number of philosophical reasons, but SystemD works (that is perhaps its most annoying characteristic), and I think it very unlikely that Debian or any other distro that has moved to SystemD will look back.
 
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I am not a fan of SystemD for a number of philosophical reasons, but SystemD works
Not particularly well. I have a number of Ubuntu-using friends whose systems haven't been able to shut down cleanly for months, thanks to systemd. At work we've had problems with CentOS7 not logging certain events during system startup and not letting us properly initialize RAID controllers before attempting to mount their filesystems, both thanks to systemd.

A few days ago I overheard a coworker mutter "come on systemd, that worked just five minutes ago" and then later "I'm going home, I can't fight with systemd anymore today". That means a task was left undone because of systemd.

There's a growing number of security vulnerabilities introduced by systemd, and the development team's attitude towards fixing them has left something to be desired.

If that's "working", then we'll have to agree to disagree about the threshold of "working".
 
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Not particularly well. I have a number of Ubuntu-using friends whose systems haven't been able to shut down cleanly for months, thanks to systemd. At work we've had problems with CentOS7 not logging certain events during system startup and not letting us properly initialize RAID controllers before attempting to mount their filesystems, both thanks to systemd.

A few days ago I overheard a coworker mutter "come on systemd, that worked just five minutes ago" and then later "I'm going home, I can't fight with systemd anymore today". That means a task was left undone because of systemd.

There's a growing number of security vulnerabilities introduced by systemd, and the development team's attitude towards fixing them has left something to be desired.

If that's "working", then we'll have to agree to disagree about the threshold of "working".
Agreed. It functions at a level adequate to be able to usually make everything boot. However, it's far from what I'd call "just works". And given how the development team seems only to care about adding "features" that have nothing to do with being an init process, not fixing the core functionality, I don't really ever see it "just working".
 
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