Installing Debian without systemd using debootstrap method?
Hello,
Who really wants Systemd? - Many. Let's discuss about how installing Debian using debootstrap method without the Systemd. A method to start is to include Sysvinit-core: Code:
debootstrap --include sysvinit-core --foreign jessie system http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian Best regards, Pat -- Refs http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
I use AntiX as it is systemd free, there is a 'core' version that is a basic install, but I usually use the 'base' version myself. :)
http://antix.mepis.com/index.php?title=Main_Page |
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Debootstrap needs a working d-i (using all defaults). Instead, use "preseeding". Either as a file (preseed/late_command="in-target apt-get install --purge -y sysvinit-core") ... or a kernel/boot argument (d-i preseed/late_command string in-target apt-get install -y sysvinit-core). Full documentation: https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/apb.html |
Erm, Devuan?
Debian is built upon systemd whether we like it or not -- messing with the install process to avoid Poetering's monster will only lead to failure in future. Accept Mt Poeterring's trash or change distro, or things will only break. Edit: I have used PulseAudio for years so I know that Poetering is nowhere near as good a programmer as he should be, never mind being anything like as good as he thinks he is. |
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Personally, I can live with Poetering's messes as I'm sure it will be sorted by somebody else at some point and I'll be dead before the argument ends. If you don't want Poetering's pottering then there are alternatives but you have to ask yourself why you're doing it -- I've no reason not to use Pulse*spit!*Audio or systemd what reasons have you for not using them? |
Debian can be built without systemd, take a look at AntiX - http://antix.mepis.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
Devuan intends to be a replacement of Debian with no reliance on systemd whatsoever, re building their own packages where necessary. Myself, I have OpenBSD as a back up system if Linux gets taken over by business interests, like RedHat! |
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This is actually what is happening !!! Slackware is UNIX - Tradition and it will never be BUSINNESSSSED like Ubuntu or Debian. In my opinion Devuan makes no point. It shall remain a clean DEBIAN with good, Unix tradition, a bit like Slackware. |
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The problem is not to remove systemd, the problem is to get rid of libsystemd0; as far Debian is concerned. |
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Removing systemd is a trivial thing. Or rather: using a different init system.
Replacing init systems in general. Why there is devuan you will have to ask them (my shot: debian's way to offer packages as pre-configured binaries which have a dependency on systemd and 2) getting rid of libsystemd0). Why antix succeeded with it long ago and devuan still is fiddling in the middle of nowhere would be the next question. And antix did it without making that much noise. That neither means that i would support debian using systemd nor that i wouldn't think that the best bet is to use a different distribution or a different OS if one wants to avoid systemd. All i said is that you *can use a different init system on debian, and you can do it easily (and more init systems than on any other distro, out of box). |
before this goes on forever: I just replaced systemd with sysv on debian-stable ppc. piece of cake.
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And Slackware is only a distribution, it's a one man band, with a handful of other contributors, no notable software development goes on and it really just distributes upstream packages. This means that Slackware has to build, package and distribute whatever gets thrown at it, by upstream developers. The upstream software is where there is significant corporate influence e.g: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/members/corporate Torvalds and other key people/developers are on the payroll of the Linux Foundation which is funded by those members. Slackware is pretty much Patrick Volkerding's private distribution which is available for other to use and it's all funded by Slackware merchandise sales. It's not a project on the scale of Debian or Red Hat, with many thousands of people contributing and all of the infrastructure and bug trackers, etc. Whether you like it or not, Linux is heavily corporate influenced and controlled - and not just by Red Hat - and it's been this way a long time before systemd came along. |
For the ones who do not want to use systemd, still want it to be debian based, there is still the option to use Debian Gnu/kFreeBSD or Debian Gnu/Hurd (the latter being quite a pain, the former: rather not).
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https://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD A FreeBSD kernel into a linux like machine! That's sounds good. I am curious about hardware support in general. |
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