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Old 09-27-2004, 04:47 PM   #1
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Installing Debian on a Powerbook G3 "Old World"


OK, here's a good one. I installed Debian on an Old World Powerobook G3 (266), I used the boot floppies to install the installer and HTTP the balance, I get all the way through the installation to the point where it claims to be installing quik, but when it reboots I get the disk-question mark icon.

and cmd-altC-F (or what ever that command is) doesn't work either, it' an old world Mac.

I'm not sure I have the partitions in right order;
off the top of my head they are.

boot map
Linux Swap
Linux
freespace


I think the Kernel is 2.4 (?)

thanks in advance
 
Old 09-27-2004, 08:06 PM   #2
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i would suggest trying out the debian-installer, rather than the old woody insaller

http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/

however, i checked out the powerpc boot media, and it doesn't look like there is a floppy installer yet. but if you can find a system to burn the powerpc net install iso on, then you should be good to go.

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Old 09-27-2004, 08:29 PM   #3
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how did you know I was using the Woddy installer? (boot-floppies 3.0.23).

any way, is that on the Boot disk or the Root disk?
how do I switch installers?

you mentioned buring the CD on a "System". How would I go about doing that?
right now I put in the Boot disk which I got from Debian, it boots up (Penguin and all) then prompts me for a root disk, I put this on in as well that takes me to (boot-floppies 3.0.23).
from there I can get all the way through but it wont boot.

how would I boot the machine in the method ou are describing?
 
Old 09-27-2004, 08:56 PM   #4
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it's so long since i installed my box i don't know where it reboots :-)
do you come to "making system bootable" and installing lilo? so if the base is right on the system but lilo fails you might want to again boot with floppy, change to the console with alt+f2, mount and chroot into your root and run lilo after altering lilo.conf accordingly.

hope i'm right with my suggestion to your prob.

sl mritch.
 
Old 09-27-2004, 09:30 PM   #5
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it's "make system bootable" but it's not Lilo, it's quik (should be called suck). I'm gonna go all newb on ya and ask if you could show a few key strokes to get to root and reconfig/run lilo... and if the root isn'r installing lilo will that even work

also does alt+f2 work on an "Old World" mac?

I'm at work or I'd be doing this as we speak and posting the results, sorry

thanks!!

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Old 09-27-2004, 09:48 PM   #6
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i'm suggesting that you use the bootable cd version of the debian-installer. basically you need access to a machine with a cd-burner. you download the powerpc version of the debian-installer (a disc image file), then you use a cd-burning program to write the iso (disc image). you will need to configure the system to boot from cd (i'm not sure how to do this on a mac). then you reboot with the cd in the drive and follow along with the installer. it will download all of the packages you desire during the installation process. it's very slick.

follow the sarge installation guide, http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/...rpc/index.html (this link documents installation for powerpc systems).

good luck.
 
Old 09-27-2004, 09:53 PM   #7
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Gotcha, unfortunately it is impossible to boot an Old World Mac from a CD Drive.

you have inspired me to try to change installers tho, perhaps one that installs lilo instead of quik (suck).

anyone know how I can do that? different boot floppy? different root floppy image? *gasp* different distro? I've had some experience with Mandrake but I can;t seem to lacate a Boot Floppy image for Mandrake PPC

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Old 09-27-2004, 09:54 PM   #8
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iirc if it's the woody installer alt+f2 will work. you'll come to the console beside the installer. wtf is quik? never heard. something like yaboot?
ahh...
been here:
http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/quik/


sl mritch.

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Old 09-27-2004, 10:02 PM   #9
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> Gotcha, unfortunately it is impossible to boot an Old World Mac from a CD Drive.

Since it wasn't mentioned, the usual way to get a Mac to boot from the CD is to hold down the 'c' key when you start up.

Some more hotkeys that might work:

- hold down the shift key to boot into a sort of "safe mode" (no extensions loaded)
- hold down the option key during startup to get a boot menu
- hold down the mouse button at startup to eject the CD
 
Old 09-27-2004, 11:13 PM   #10
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i found a link to testing boot floppies for oldworld macs.

http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i...daily/powerpc/

i'd say try the floppy-2.4 directory first. you'll probably need both the "boot.img" and "net-drivers.img" to get going with a net install (boot from "boot.img" then stick in "net-drivers.img" when asked). again, good luck.

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Old 09-27-2004, 11:41 PM   #11
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great, great, great. all wonderfull suggestions.

It is my understanding that it is Arcitectually impossible to get an Old World Mac to boot from CD becuase there is info that is needed from a HD/Floppy that the machine needs in order to run. But I could be wrong, anyway thanks everyone.

I'll be sure to post an update after trying all these, I won;t just take the solution and disappear like sometimes happens on a forum, then I'm searching for hte same info wthout ever seeing if the info worked, although THIS forum is usually very good about that
 
Old 09-28-2004, 05:26 PM   #12
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arrgh, no luck. quick just doesn't work, which it actually tells you "this may not work".

switching to netBSD
 
Old 09-28-2004, 07:22 PM   #13
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did you try the link i gave previously? the files there are debian-installer floppy boot media (they install debian testing/sarge). i don't think quik is part of the new debian-installer or sarge. please try those boot media out before abandoning debian. peace.
 
  


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