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Old 07-09-2013, 09:35 AM   #1
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Install Gimp 2.6 instead of gimp 2.8 in sid


I'm using debian sid, but gimp 2.8 gives me many problems
I want to install 2.6 version.

gimp 2.6.10 is in oldstable (squeeze) repo

so i've tried with pinning but if I try with

> apt-get install -t gimp/oldstable

it gives to me:
The value 'oldstable' is invalid for APT:efault-Release as such a release is not available in the sources

this is my /etc/apt/source.list
Code:
#SID
deb ftp://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org sid main

#OLDSTABLE
deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ oldstable main contrib non-free
deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org squeeze main
this is my /etc/apt/apt.conf
Code:
APT::Default-Release "unstable";
this is my /etc/apt/preferences
Code:
Package: gimp
Pin: version 2.6.10-1+squeeze3
Pin-Priority: 1001
If i try with
>apt-get install -t oldstable gimp

it gives me some problems with python (mine is too recent)

Could someone help me ?

thanks
 
Old 07-09-2013, 11:14 AM   #2
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And so you've run into the hell of trying to install from an older repository

In installing GIMP APT wants to satisfy all of its dependencies, even the other versions of python. Some packages require specific versions which is what you've run into here. Unfortunately, there's really no easy way to resolve this with apt-get.

You can use dpkg, which means you'll have to download the debs yourself (I don't know if you can use apt-get download to do this for you with broken dependencies), then try:

Code:
dpkg --force-all -i package-file(s)
 
Old 07-09-2013, 11:23 AM   #3
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There will likely still be dependency errors with glib and gtk2, and the op will probably have to unpack the deb files, and hack the dependency list so these packages (and perhaps more) can be ignored, so the newer version will be used instead, alas even once doing this, gimp 2.6 may not run with the newer versions of these packages. You can only try.

@OP
Code:
deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ oldstable main contrib non-free
Change 'oldstable' to 'squeeze', aptitude update and try again.

Last edited by Knightron; 07-09-2013 at 11:26 AM. Reason: Additional info
 
Old 07-09-2013, 11:28 AM   #4
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The python dependency is the big problem here.

dep: python (<< 2.7)
dep: python (>= 2.6)

This means you must have python 2.6.x, which means that its not feasible to run gimp 2.6 on wheezy without downgrading python - which would be a bad idea... (the short version: don't do it).

I would focus on moving on to gimp 2.8 and finding resolutions to your problems which do not involve downgrading.

There are a few gimp forums out there which might be of some help.

Last edited by cynwulf; 07-09-2013 at 11:32 AM.
 
Old 07-10-2013, 03:29 AM   #5
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ok

thank you very much !

I'll try with gimp 2.8
 
Old 07-10-2013, 04:32 AM   #6
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The python dependency is the big problem here.

dep: python (<< 2.7)
dep: python (>= 2.6)

This means you must have python 2.6.x, which means that its not feasible to run gimp 2.6 on wheezy without downgrading python - which would be a bad idea... (the short version: don't do it).
From Debian Squeeze
http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gimp
Code:
dep: python (<< 2.7)
    interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version) 

dep: python (>= 2.6)
From Sid
http://packages.debian.org/sid/gimp
Code:
dep: python (<< 2.7) [hppa]
    interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version) 

dep: python (>= 2.6) [hppa]
I don't know what hppa means, but if it's insignificant, then Python shouldn't be a problem (at the moment)

Last edited by Knightron; 07-10-2013 at 04:33 AM. Reason: failed code tags + website links added
 
Old 07-10-2013, 04:38 AM   #7
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i would just build the old gimp2.6 from source
however you also might need the older GTK and glib files
along with the older gegl and babl source

but The Gimp is rather easy to build
It is also VERY well documented

Quote:
I'm using debian sid, but gimp 2.8 gives me many problems
what problems ?
Gimp 3.0 is going to be VERY much like 2.8 in the layout and where the tool options are

you might want to spend the time and relearn how to use the gimp

-- note --
This took me a bit , as a VERY long time gimp user ( gimp 0.9 to 2.8 )
the new layout and how the tools NOW work took some time to get used to .

Last edited by John VV; 07-10-2013 at 04:51 AM.
 
Old 07-10-2013, 08:34 AM   #8
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I don't know what hppa means, but if it's insignificant, then Python shouldn't be a problem (at the moment)
hppa is an architecture.

The python deps for 2.8 for all but hppa are:

dep: python (>= 2.6.6-7~) [not hppa]
dep: python2.7 [not hppa]

Building gimp 2.6 from source is another option. Sticking with 2.8 is best, especially as you're running unstable.

I thought there was an option to enable the old style UI in 2.8 (if that's part of the problem)?
 
Old 07-10-2013, 01:40 PM   #9
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[not hppa] ?????
hppa is an architecture. ????

multiple versions of python can be installed side by side

it is designed for that
just as gcc is .
 
Old 07-10-2013, 03:16 PM   #10
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[not hppa] ?????
hppa is an architecture. ????
http://www.debian.org/ports/hppa/
 
Old 07-20-2013, 10:32 AM   #11
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2.8 is terrible

I used gimp for years as it did what I needed efficiently and easily. The newest version adds multiple steps to my most commonly used operations. Canvas resize and save as used to be simple and only a few steps, now I need to click the link dimensions together, resize, export, and then expressly state I dont want to save it in gimp format. If 2.6 can't be installed, is there any other graphics package which will do what I need?

I despise the inefficient nature of 2.8.
 
Old 07-20-2013, 09:41 PM   #12
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now I need to click the link dimensions together, resize, export, and then expressly state I dont want to save it in gimp format. If 2.6 can't be installed, is there any other graphics package which will do what I need?

I despise the inefficient nature of 2.8.
I think the below advice couldn't be better for you mate.

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you might want to spend the time and relearn how to use the gimp
Save as is used to save a project. Export is used to finalize a project; it's very simple, and quite standard for editor programs to work like this. Kdenlive is very similar, you have to transcode to finalize a video, but saving is just saving the project. As for resizing the canvas; you simply go up to the menu and press 'image > canvas size' and set the dimensions you want. It's pretty logical to me.
 
Old 08-18-2013, 05:02 AM   #13
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I too am totally fed up with gimp post-2.8. The problems are MANY-- it really is no longer the great gimp as it was.

I suspect much newer versions of Linux software is being quietly sabotaged to keep inexperienced users on the proprietary farms-- computers are bigger business than our duopoly politicians, and we all (should) know by now how any independents who promise real change are conspired against (often from within).

Just as everything is not rosy in Amerika today-- not everything is rosy in Linuxville!

It would be a great service if someone with the coding skills could fork the old Gimp 2.6 to work with today's dependencies.
 
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I too am totally fed up with gimp post-2.8. The problems are MANY-- it really is no longer the great gimp as it was.

I suspect much newer versions of Linux software is being quietly sabotaged to keep inexperienced users on the proprietary farms-- computers are bigger business than our duopoly politicians, and we all (should) know by now how any independents who promise real change are conspired against (often from within).

Just as everything is not rosy in Amerika today-- not everything is rosy in Linuxville!

It would be a great service if someone with the coding skills could fork the old Gimp 2.6 to work with today's dependencies.
 
Old 08-18-2013, 05:26 AM   #15
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I have been building the stable and dev source since Gimp 0.9

a few minor changes , closing down gimp 2.8.6 by closing the window and not the tool box - -a non issue
( i do NOT use the "gimpshop" single window )

the brush slider is a bit different and took a few days to get used to -- also a non issue

ok the save and export is a bit of a pain , but that is about it

but there HAVE BEEN more than a few times i saved as a png and NOT as a xcf in 2.0,2.2,2.4,2.6 when I DID WANT all the layers and undos in a 10+ layer image .

the 2.4 to 2.6 jump with gegl and babl was more of a change
 
  


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