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Old 08-10-2005, 07:47 PM   #1
sesz
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ia64 or amd64? (Xeon)


Hi!

What port I need to install debian on Xeon?!?! ia64?! amd64 (x86-64)?!?!

Can I install debian-ia64 in my computer?!

Thx

About my pc:
2 processors intel XEON 3.4Ghz
4 GB ddr
2 hd Sata (each with 250 gb)
 
Old 08-11-2005, 02:17 AM   #2
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I'm think it's IA64.
 
Old 08-11-2005, 06:31 AM   #3
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No, I'm almost possitive that it is AMD64. IA64 is for Intel Itanium 64 bits processors. As far as I know, Xeon processors have EMT64 (X86_64) intruction sets. This means that you need the AMD64 release of Debian.
 
Old 08-11-2005, 02:53 PM   #4
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I don't think EMT64 and x86_64 are the same, just look at all the differenct arches and there should be an EMT64.
 
Old 08-11-2005, 09:46 PM   #5
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found this on the intel website.
http://developer.intel.com/technology/64bitextensions/

it says specifically, "All of the 64-bit Intel® Xeon™ processors support 64-bit computing with Intel EM64T. "

so i guess that means you would want the amd64 distribution of debian.

i think that the amd64 and ia64 distributions are different. itanium processors can
only run 64bit code while the others using the em64t instruction set can run 32bit
code natively without emulation.
also, i think that a 64bit program compiled for one type of 64bit processor will run on
the other.

you can correct me if i am wrong.

by the way. is it EMT64 or EM64T. on the intel website it's EM64T
 
Old 03-08-2012, 12:17 PM   #6
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Smile

something more.

you have this processor:
64-bit Intel® Xeon® Processor 3.40 GHz, 1M Cache, 800 MHz FSB

On Intel hand

64-bit or EM64t
Intel® 64 Architecture refers to systems based on IA-32 architecture processors which have 64-bit
architectural extensions. This processor can run a 64-bit operating system or a 32-bit version.

IA-64 Architecture refers to systems based on the Intel® Itanium® processor running a 64-bit operating system.

On Debian hand

IA-64 ("ia64")
--------------
First officially released with Debian 3.0. This is a port to Intel's first 64-bit architecture.
Note: this should not be confused with the latest Intel 64-bit (EM64T)extensions for Pentium 4 and
Celeron processors, called EM64T


amd64
-----
First officially released with Debian 4.0. Port to the 64 bit AMD64 processors. The goal is to
support both 32bit- and 64bit-userland on this architecture. This port supports AMD's 64-bit Opteron,
Athlon and Sempron processors, and Intel's processors with EM64T (64-bit) support, including
the Pentium D and various Xeon and Core2 series.


Conclusion
You must download the amd64 image of debian.


Reference:
http://software.intel.com/en-us/arti...itecture-mean/
http://www.debian.org/ports/index.en.html

Last edited by diego73; 03-08-2012 at 12:21 PM.
 
Old 03-08-2012, 12:26 PM   #7
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Conclusion
You must download the amd64 image of debian.
LOL, diego you are only nearly 7 years to late. Look at the time stamp on the OP. Why did you drag this rather old and redundant thread back to life? Don't answer that, it's a rhetorical question.
 
Old 03-08-2012, 12:26 PM   #8
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Edit: Oops! I also piled on. Next time I'll try to remember to read post dates.

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Old 04-26-2012, 10:10 PM   #9
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Wow! I think I remember writing that (although, not 100% sure). I can't believe I have been on this site for that long.
 
Old 08-17-2013, 11:35 AM   #10
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Thanks Diego

I am glad for your mistake, as your clear answer was helpful to me as a latecomer to 64bit computing
 
Old 08-17-2013, 11:50 AM   #11
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i'll pile on and say that intel x86-64 (celleron, pantium, core i, amd athlon, ...) is as architectuarally different from ia-64 (whose marketing name is itanium) than from something like the motorola 68k.

it is confusing because people made up the backronym ia-32 (to refer to x86) which implies it is a 32-bit version of the ia-64 server architecture which it is not.

x86 - 32-bit general purpose pc cpu (successor to the 386, 486dx, 486sx, ... line of cpu's)
x86-64 - 64-bit pc's
ia-64 - intels 64-bit architecture for servers
ia-32 - doesnt exist
 
Old 08-17-2013, 01:19 PM   #12
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ia-32 - doesnt exist
Intel has several documents (for example http://developer.intel.com/content/w...on-manual.html) which explicitly talk of IA-32, so I wouldn't say that IA-32 doesn't exist.
 
Old 08-17-2013, 01:37 PM   #13
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it is confusing because people made up the backronym ia-32 (to refer to x86) which implies it is a 32-bit version of the ia-64 server architecture which it is not.
I have seen the name IA-32 from both Intel and Microsoft. "IA-32" is not confusing. It even eliminates some confusion because "x86" usually means "x86 32 bit" but sometimes means "x86 family across all bit sizes 16 through 64".

I half agree with you because the use of "IA-32" causes some beginners to be confused over the meaning of "IA-64". But among those who know how the terms are used, one can communicate less ambiguously with "IA-32" than with "x86".

Anyway, I think Intel and Microsoft both select terminology with the specific intent to confuse. (Intel is the second biggest holding in my stock portfolio and I think they are a great company, but I'll still be honest about such opinions).

Regardless of their intent, they each have enough influence over the meaning and usage of terminology that they can overwhelm most contradicting opinions. "IA-32" means what Intel and Microsoft act like it means.
 
Old 08-17-2013, 07:40 PM   #14
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^ sorry - good points, i was trying to highlight more that the machine language that x86 processes is the same for x86_64.

whereas the machine language that ia-32 processes is not the same as what ia-64 can interpret.

i guess i object that the new name didnt come about til itaniums were being sold (20 years after they were originally introduced) so i think that the historical name (8086 -> 386/686) is more apt in describing the arch (32-bit itaniums dont exist).

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Old 08-17-2013, 07:57 PM   #15
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Can't believe on a thread with the IA-64 (itanium), there's not been one mention of it's more common nickname...Itanic. Although this architecture is actually still around (and runs almost exclusively HP-UX default), and has even become profitable for Intel, Xeon is far more mainstream and uses the amd64 instruction set based off the original x86 architecture.

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