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Old 06-26-2007, 08:21 PM   #16
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What "hacks" are you referring to?
Well the major one is the way sysv-init is done up and the scripts that do all the auto-detection that make it near impossible to get it back to a Debian system tried once for a few days but it kept going to hell everytime.
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Do you mean the one about creating the sound file?
Yes in Debian once installed if you want to use all three cards if only your main one then running the alsaconf and choosing only the one card you want should do it.
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Well, i re-installed Knoppix v5.1 Beginner (For the last time) and NOTHING changed i did everything like before, but once i restarted everything gets screwed up. Apparently, the sound file OVERRIDES hard-wired settings that cannot be altered (at least with the sound file). For whatever reason, Knoppix wants to go back to it's default configuration, but the sound file won't let it hence why the sound gets messed up. Is there anyway to stop it from going back to the defaults upon rebooting?
That I have no clue about I gave on installing Knoppix to the hard drive many years ago and only use it as it was intended now as a live/rescue cd.
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Now, i'm trying to finish installing Debian 4 Etch, but can't install the GRUB bootloader to the partition. Here's what the Debian installer shows for my Hard Drive settings:

IDE 1 master (hda)
#1 pri 32.2 GB B hfs+
#5 log 30.9 GB F ext3 /
#4 pri 1.8 GB F swap
#2 pri 235.2 GB fat32

So, according to this, if i want to install GRUB on the partition where Debian is i'd type in (hd0,5) or dev/hda5, right? I did this, but it does NOT work. I tried (hd0, 1-4) it does NOT work either. Do i have to do something special since it's on a logical partition?
It should be hd0,4 for the hda5 grub is always one less than partition number as it starts counting with 0 instead of 1. Looking at the partitions there I see hfs+ is this a Mac your trying to install onto and why are you installing into the partition not the MBR? I'm not sure on the grub into partition install but I used to use LILO for that all the time I believe if you type in at the boot: expert then hit enter you will get the option to use LILO for the boot loader then all you would need to do is modify your existing boot loader (which I assume you want to keep) to boot to that partition to have LILO come up to boot into the Debian install.
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Would i have to 'modify the hardware autodetect/autoconfig scripts' in order to have the Audigy 2 ZS as the default sound output? And just what are hardware autodetect/autoconfig scripts anyways?
Once Debian is installed then the alsaconf I mention above should take care of the primary sound card issue.
 
Old 06-27-2007, 12:49 AM   #17
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Well, i'm through for knoppix, except as a 'live/rescue cd.' I've just struck gold with the near perfect linux distro for me: 64 Studio.com. It's Debian-based, heck, the installer was the same as Debian, and choosing (hd0,4) for GRUB did the trick. However, strangely for pure Debian 4 etch, it still did NOT work. Anyways, 64 Studio is rock-solid it's got GNOME gui, so i'm getting used to that. It automatically defaulted to the Audigy 2 ZS as the main output, yet it did detect the other two sound cards. One thing that's annoying me, how can i navigate to the desktop in the Terminal? I type cd desktop, but it will NOT work. Also, in case i need to switch sound cards, do i have to something different in 64 Studio's GNOME environment?
 
Old 06-27-2007, 01:48 PM   #18
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Well, i'm through for knoppix, except as a 'live/rescue cd.' I've just struck gold with the near perfect linux distro for me: 64 Studio.com. It's Debian-based, heck, the installer was the same as Debian, and choosing (hd0,4) for GRUB did the trick. However, strangely for pure Debian 4 etch, it still did NOT work. Anyways, 64 Studio is rock-solid it's got GNOME gui, so i'm getting used to that. It automatically defaulted to the Audigy 2 ZS as the main output, yet it did detect the other two sound cards. One thing that's annoying me, how can i navigate to the desktop in the Terminal? I type cd desktop, but it will NOT work. Also, in case i need to switch sound cards, do i have to something different in 64 Studio's GNOME environment?
It seems like you must have found a bug in the Debian installer that Studio does not have. If you want to make one of the other cards the default main card then you would check to see if the sound file lists them all and change the order they are assigned in with the 0 one being the main card and reload alsa to have the changes take effect. Now if you just want to have the sound go through a different card most program have a configuration dialog that lets you choose which output/input to use eg. /dev/dsp0, /dev/dsp1 ... choosing one of these should give you output on the respective cards you can use aplay -l to quickly see which way alsa has them listed for use.
 
Old 06-28-2007, 07:42 AM   #19
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Hello there

I just found this discussion when I searched for an installation with multiple sound cards.
If I understood this thread here, generally it is possible to have multiple sound cards under linux.

I want to install 4 cards into a not yet existing computer, all playing independently at the same time.
Before I try something which is impossible I want to ask you (all of you in this thread).
Will 4 sound cards work at the same time in one computer, each individually controlled by its dedicated player, streaming mp3-files from a NAS or a build-in HD.
Does the host computer has to be a very powerful machine or can I use a small and fanless IPC or similar?

seskanda, What experience do you have with your sound cards? what computer do you use and what player?

Not sure if this question here is posted at the correct spot, maybe I should open a separate thread?

Rolus
 
Old 06-28-2007, 12:33 PM   #20
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It seems like you must have found a bug in the Debian installer that Studio does not have.
That's embarassing. Isn't Debian supposed to be stabler than Studio?


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If you want to make one of the other cards the default main card then you would check to see if the sound file lists them all and change the order they are assigned in with the 0one being the main card and reload alsa to have the changes take effect.
So, basically, i should do the same thing you told me before, right?


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Now if you just want to have the sound go through a different card most program have a configuration dialog that lets you choose which output/input to use eg. /dev/dsp0, /dev/dsp1 ... choosing one of these should give you output on the respective cards you can use aplay -l to quickly see which way alsa has them listed for use.
Ah! Now, we're talking. Maybe this is what i wanted to do all along. I haven't had time to try it yet, though.


I know this is OT, but i still haven't found out how to get to the desktop in Terminal/shell. Also, how can i get Wine working on 64-bit linux. AFAIK, this is based on the Debian AMD64 kernel, so if it can get it going there, it should work with Studio, too.


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Will 4 sound cards work at the same time in one computer, each individually controlled by its dedicated player, streaming mp3-files from a NAS or a build-in HD. seskanda, What experience do you have with your sound cards? what computer do you use and what player?.
It should work, given that each program will be playing from a different sound card. I'm guessing you have a way to hear those 4 sound cards output from somewhere, no? I'm not familiar with linux a 'player' yet.
 
Old 06-28-2007, 01:01 PM   #21
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It should work, given that each program will be playing from a different sound card. I'm guessing you have a way to hear those 4 sound cards output from somewhere, no? I'm not familiar with linux a 'player' yet.
Thanks for the quick answer.

Yes, the 'big picture' is to have a linux audio server somewhere and the ability to play different music simultaneously. The music program should be selected from this room, I don't know how yet, maybe with a terminal, or from a remote control (these logitech remotes have a rf transmitter and they offer a RF-to-IR gateway).

My dream is the ability to scale this by 'cascade' more than one computer, giving 8 or 32 or more channels.

Maybe one of the available linux mp3-players can act with its own soundcard and gets controlled 'somehow' from remote.

How do you use your sound cards, do you need a 'fast' computer for that?

Rolus
 
Old 06-28-2007, 02:26 PM   #22
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That's embarassing. Isn't Debian supposed to be stabler than Studio?
Not sure really never used the Studio but anything can have a bug in it.

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So, basically, i should do the same thing you told me before, right?
Yes you just have to make sure that the file contains all the sound cards you want to use in the order you want them detected.

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I know this is OT, but i still haven't found out how to get to the desktop in Terminal/shell. Also, how can i get Wine working on 64-bit linux. AFAIK, this is based on the Debian AMD64 kernel, so if it can get it going there, it should work with Studio, too.
I don't believe that wine works on 64bit you would need what is called a 32bit chroot install for that, for the desktop I don't use Gnome but in KDE all I have to do here is cd /home/username/Desktop perhaps it is the similar in the Gnome.
 
Old 06-28-2007, 06:42 PM   #23
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I don't believe that wine works on 64bit you would need what is called a 32bit chroot install for that, for the desktop I don't use Gnome but in KDE all I have to do here is cd /home/username/Desktop perhaps it is the similar in the Gnome.
Well, according to this page, the 32bit chroot install is for Gentoo only. There's another way in there to install it on Debian AMD64. Does CrossOver work on 64-bit? I think i'm gonna go for the 32-bit version of 64 Studio, since, for starters, i can't even get flash player to install in Firefox. AFAIK, the only advantage of 64-bit is in the way it processes memory (i.e. it's faster and can handle much more) For now, i don't think i need that much power, and will settle w/ 32-bit compatibility and stability. I finally got to the Desktop in shell. Terminal is case-sensitive i had to type Desktop with a capital D, otherwise it just won't work.


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How do you use your sound cards, do you need a 'fast' computer for that?
Depends on what you need. I'm not sure what you're trying to do, but if you want to setup some kind of DAW network, then, yes. Also, playing or especially recording streaming audio from multiple sound cards simultaneously must tax the CPU heavily. I have a Pentium 4 @ 2.8 Ghz w/HT get at least this fast. I think you'll need something faster though, like a Dual Core.
 
  


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