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Old 09-03-2009, 01:04 PM   #1
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How to run floppy with GRUB to install without USB BOOT BIOS Motherboard Support ?


Thats a very old pc. actually.

I would like to run a floppy (single) with grub to boot my usb pendrive.

regards

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Old 09-03-2009, 02:32 PM   #2
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Have a look at plop boot manager:

http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html

This allows booting from usb even if the bios does not support it.
 
Old 09-03-2009, 03:10 PM   #3
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TROOPER!
yep
he's right
you can get plop bootmanager in my new
ThorsHammer livec/usb
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...remble-751227/

trooper:
I'm making the Iron Maiden edition now of THammer
wiil post link saturday


Frenchnoob
T-hammer has grml which is Debian unstable
 
Old 09-03-2009, 03:56 PM   #4
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in the mean time, I found unetbootin to boot from vfat, but I havent tried.
I soon give my progresses... thank you !!
 
Old 09-04-2009, 12:42 PM   #5
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Have a look at plop boot manager:

http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html

This allows booting from usb even if the bios does not support it.

PLOP is AMAZING !!

Graphically even much better than GRUB + HAS USB support, and
can be install on a floppy disk, and is fully customizable, simple, and better than lilo and grub


Why is it so little known??
it s showing the galaxy, and one can change the graphics,
no bugs, fluid
with a super old pc
 
Old 09-04-2009, 04:47 PM   #6
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Yep
I been using it for Months dude and most people ignore it

it is the Only thing that can easily boot my 2 non-usb-boot
PC's

I usually include it in every download dude
including ThorsHammer
http://multidistro.com/hammer/fluxboxp.html

yeah baby!
 
Old 09-05-2009, 03:20 AM   #7
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i had a look at the link to plob and am not sure if i understand it correct.
heres the situation
i gotta debian/lenny installed on an usb-stick. as the pc im using it on cant boot from usb, i created an boot-cd which includes the kernel (iirc).
would i be able to create an floppy to boot the usb-stick with plob?
(if one might tell me a wee bit more about the how, would be great, but if its possible at all i could put some energy in it )
thanks

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Old 09-05-2009, 08:24 AM   #8
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i had a look at the link to plob and am not sure if i understand it correct.
heres the situation
i gotta debian/lenny installed on an usb-stick. as the pc im using it on cant boot from usb, i created an boot-cd which includes the kernel (iirc).
would i be able to create an floppy to boot the usb-stick with plob?
(if one might tell me a wee bit more about the how, would be great, but if its possible at all i could put some energy in it )
thanks
plop goes into the mbr I guess.

I play with plop and unetbootin to make the pendrive

Give plz more details what you would target
 
Old 09-05-2009, 09:35 AM   #9
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plop goes into the mbr I guess.

I play with plop and unetbootin to make the pendrive

Give plz more details what you would target
mh, i dont know what more details i should give.

at the moment grub is on the CD which includes stage_eltorito (whatever that might be). i followed this how-to to put it on CD:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=33094

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Old 09-05-2009, 09:39 AM   #10
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please see here j1alu
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...54#post3670854
works great
 
Old 09-05-2009, 09:48 AM   #11
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but i would overwrite the windoofs-boot-loader or what? (cause that aint possible). It aint mine PC.
 
Old 09-05-2009, 09:59 AM   #12
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No
it wont overwrite anything
not plpbt.bin
its just a excutable or somethin
But, I don't have windows and if you dont have grub installed...?
it says it can start from windows menu too
Quote:
# Starting from Windows boot menu
how, i dont know cause dont have windows
oh see here

Harddisk install using the Windows boot menu (2K, XP and VISTA)

_________________________________________________________________



Currently, this method works only with Windows on NTFS



Download the file [45]plpgenbtldr-0.5.zip and extract it.

* copy plpinstc.com and plpgenbtldr.exe to your c:\ directory.

* rename plpinstc.com to plpbt.bin.

* as administrator/with administrator rights open a command shell

and change to c:\

* then start plpgenbtldr

this program searches for the file c:\plpbt.bin. The filename must

be lowercase.

plpgenbtldr generates the file plpbtldr.bin.

plpgenbtldr must not need longer than a few seconds to create the

file. If it need longer, then see Problems/Errors below.

* Adding to the boot menu. Windows 2K and XP is different to Windows

VISTA

+ Windows 2K, XP

add the line below to your c:\boot.ini

c:\plpbtldr.bin="Install PLoP Boot Manager"

+ Windows VISTA

use the following commands

bcdedit /create /d "Install PLoP Boot Manager" /application

bootsector

this prints a long number with { }

this long number is called id

replace the id with your number in the following commands

bcdedit /set {id} device boot

bcdedit /set {id} path \plpbtldr.bin

bcdedit /displayorder {id} /addlast



Now you should be able to install the PLoP Boot Manager from your

Windows boot menu to your harddisk.



Problems/Errors



plpbt.bin must not be fragmeted! Use [46]contig to take care, that

plpbt.bin is not fragmented.



plpgenbtld must not run longer than a few seconds. If it needs more

time, then stop it with CTRL-C. Ddownload and run [47]DiskView, use

location of file, select c:\plpbt.bin, use the value at LCN and run

plpgenbtldr lcn=[your value].

Do the same if you get the message file not found from plpgenbtldr.
 
Old 09-05-2009, 11:30 AM   #13
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question is if im able to put plob on a floppy and boot from that and only that (it doesnt seems so, so far)
 
Old 09-05-2009, 11:48 AM   #14
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oh yeah dude
http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html#runflp
 
Old 09-05-2009, 12:09 PM   #15
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i got it on the floppy, but the next step -plpcfgbt-
is hidden in the dark ( i get from link to link how to add it to the bootloader -either windows or linux- but thats it).
 
  


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