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Old 08-19-2019, 05:12 PM   #1
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has anyone heard of this issue?


Ok - i did read something about this but never understood enough to make sense of it. and yes - i did experience this - hence my question.

an old macbook - installed debian 9 on it. I tried to install bodhi and MX on it but it would not boot. i could try and run live CD/DVD but once installed would not boot the respective distros. only one installed on the whole HD at a time. I was trying to get the others working a. to try mx, and b. because bodhi is much lighter and faster for the limited ram. I did read somewhere that for some reason debian does something to the boot or grub that keeps anything else from installing or booting - if it gets installed. re-installed debian and running it since. i experienced this months ago - maybe 6-8 months even. But it has always bugged me as to why this happens. So - does anyone know and can you please explain it clearly for an old timer? thanks.

addendum: being a mac it was weeks of trial and error to get this working. also i think it was the 32 bit lxde debian that worked.

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Old 08-19-2019, 06:21 PM   #2
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Ok - i did read something about this but never understood enough to make sense of it. and yes - i did experience this - hence my question.

an old macbook - installed debian 9 on it. I tried to install bodhi and MX on it but it would not boot. i could try and run live CD/DVD but once installed would not boot the respective distros. only one installed on the whole HD at a time. I was trying to get the others working a. to try mx, and b. because bodhi is much lighter and faster for the limited ram. I did read somewhere that for some reason debian does something to the boot or grub that keeps anything else from installing or booting - if it gets installed. re-installed debian and running it since. i experienced this months ago - maybe 6-8 months even. But it has always bugged me as to why this happens. So - does anyone know and can you please explain it clearly for an old timer? thanks.

addendum: being a mac it was weeks of trial and error to get this working. also i think it was the 32 bit lxde debian that worked.
Just curious if this is a intel mac or not. Because Debian makes a older mac only distro I think

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All current Apple computers released since 2006, run on Intel processors, and boot using EFI (a successor to the earlier BIOS).

Older Apple computers (1998–2005) run on PowerPC processors, and boot using OpenFirmware.
Even older Apple computers (pre-1998 Macs) run on Motorola 68000 (m68k) processors.
So when the decription is old mac. It covers a bit of turf. What boots currently and if running. Can you give a

Code:
inxi -Fxz -r
report if possible. So members can look at your gear.
 
Old 08-19-2019, 06:29 PM   #3
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it is an intel macbook white model running debian 9 stretch. it is in the shed and outside 105 and in shed right now 115 at least so let me check tomorrow am - thanks. it was also the 32 bit non-free debian stretch.
 
Old 08-20-2019, 02:30 AM   #4
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in shed right now 115 at least
I'd say that's too hot for a mac - or in fact any computer.
 
Old 08-20-2019, 08:12 AM   #5
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i realize that but i have had laptops running in there for 15 plus years and even in the dead of winter too. never had any issues. seriously. having a small farm/homestead and vineyards etc. i do work out there a lot so having an added access point helps in many ways - even for music or news as needed.
 
Old 08-20-2019, 08:28 AM   #6
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My shop desktop sits in quonset steel shed motorcycle shop. Outside temp 100+ all month. Hotter in the steel shop. Aint broke yet. If it breaks. I have spare servers on floor in storage in the house on central a/c that are former city hall servers.

Pioneer analog stereo also in that heat. Plus me/ sweating copiously.


Probably why I am so healthy reaching for 70. Still riding motorcycles cross country in hundred degree heat also.

Aint no Mac expert though. I guess nothing boots no more since no inxi report.
So leaving here thinking mac laptop is broke.

Only mac laptop I ever had was the one back in El Paso that fell of a truck back in the 90's . Paid 200 bucks and gave it to the wife. She proceeded to sell it off for more than I paid for it. Called it too pripority is how she explained to her ignorant computer biker husband back then.

It
ran for a couple years running online poker by the dude that bought it every night till it broke.
 
Old 08-20-2019, 08:33 AM   #7
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I'll also mention. The shop media box and pdf manuals and such used to be a panasonic cf-48/2001 . It still runs also. AntiX tester laptop.
 
Old 08-20-2019, 10:44 AM   #8
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hey let me run the commands tomorrow if i can. just had a serious close encounter with a 3' copperhead getting my nets up in the side vineyard and actually touched it accidentally now knowing it was a snake until i looked closer. thought it was a rabbit caught in the net - so----- let's say, after a change of underwear i am trying to cool down and try to chill and regroup a bit. sorry - planned on running the came before i came in this morning. I am still shaking a bit - not a snake or rat guy.

have family and animals and special dogs and hate to see anyone get nailed. there have been many rattler and copperhead dog bites lately here.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 08:28 AM   #9
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ran command and it said no command known or some such thing. and i even logged in with su too.

tried agin various ways and say commnd not found.

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Old 08-21-2019, 11:43 AM   #10
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ran command and it said no command known or some such thing. and i even logged in with su too.

tried agin various ways and say commnd not found.
Try.

Code:
@haswell:~$ apt-cache policy inxi
inxi:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 2.3.5-1
  Version table:
     3.0.32-1-1~bpo9+1 100
        100 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch-backports/main amd64 Packages
     2.3.5-1 500
        500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch/main amd64 Packages
To see if installed probably not. Then remove the -s in the next command.

Code:
@haswell:~$ apt-get -s install  inxi
NOTE: This is only a simulation!
      apt-get needs root privileges for real execution.
      Keep also in mind that locking is deactivated,
      so don't depend on the relevance to the real current situation!
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
  gawk hddtemp libfontenc1 libglew2.0 libglu1-mesa libsigsegv2 libxaw7 libxcomposite1 libxft2
  libxmu6 libxt6 libxxf86dga1 mesa-utils sudo x11-utils x11-xserver-utils
Suggested packages:
  gawk-doc ksensors glew-utils nickle cairo-5c xorg-docs-core
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  gawk hddtemp inxi libfontenc1 libglew2.0 libglu1-mesa libsigsegv2 libxaw7 libxcomposite1 libxft2
  libxmu6 libxt6 libxxf86dga1 mesa-utils sudo x11-utils x11-xserver-utils
0 upgraded, 17 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Inst libsigsegv2 (2.10-5 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Conf libsigsegv2 (2.10-5 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Inst gawk (1:4.1.4+dfsg-1 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Inst libfontenc1 (1:1.1.3-1+b2 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Inst libglew2.0 (2.0.0-3+b1 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Inst libglu1-mesa (9.0.0-2.1 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Inst libxt6 (1:1.1.5-1 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Inst libxmu6 (2:1.1.2-2 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Inst libxaw7 (2:1.0.13-1+b2 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Inst libxcomposite1 (1:0.4.4-2 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Inst libxft2 (2.3.2-1+b2 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Inst libxxf86dga1 (2:1.1.4-1+b3 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Inst mesa-utils (8.3.0-3 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Inst sudo (1.8.19p1-2.1 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Inst x11-utils (7.7+3+b1 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Inst x11-xserver-utils (7.7+7+b1 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Inst hddtemp (0.3-beta15-52+b1 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Inst inxi (2.3.5-1 Debian:9.9/oldstable [all])
Conf gawk (1:4.1.4+dfsg-1 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Conf libfontenc1 (1:1.1.3-1+b2 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Conf libglew2.0 (2.0.0-3+b1 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Conf libglu1-mesa (9.0.0-2.1 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Conf libxt6 (1:1.1.5-1 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Conf libxmu6 (2:1.1.2-2 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Conf libxaw7 (2:1.0.13-1+b2 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Conf libxcomposite1 (1:0.4.4-2 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Conf libxft2 (2.3.2-1+b2 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Conf libxxf86dga1 (2:1.1.4-1+b3 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Conf mesa-utils (8.3.0-3 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Conf sudo (1.8.19p1-2.1 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Conf x11-utils (7.7+3+b1 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Conf x11-xserver-utils (7.7+7+b1 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Conf hddtemp (0.3-beta15-52+b1 Debian:9.9/oldstable [amd64])
Conf inxi (2.3.5-1 Debian:9.9/oldstable [all])
But that is not needed to answer the original question Debian does nothing to prevent other operating systems being installed on a computer. If you want lighter and faster then Debian will do just fine that way, you will have to do the work yourself by installing a basic system firstly. Leaving next to nothing extra installed doing that then you need to add your programs needed one at a time.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 12:29 PM   #11
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i unstalled all garbage as usual so it is a lean machine.

what you are asking me to do i am lost so thanks anyway.

enjoy new scottland! wish i were there.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 02:39 PM   #12
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you might not have inxi installed...

Code:
su -c "apt install inxi"
 
Old 08-21-2019, 03:12 PM   #13
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ok thanks - will check this out tomorrow am when i am back working in the shed... thanks. what does this do?
 
Old 08-21-2019, 07:48 PM   #14
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ok thanks - will check this out tomorrow am when i am back working in the shed... thanks. what does this do?
Code:
@haswell:~$ apt show inxi
Package: inxi
Version: 2.3.5-1
Priority: extra
Section: misc
Maintainer: Unit 193 <unit193@ubuntu.com>
Installed-Size: 586 kB
Depends: gawk, pciutils, procps
Recommends: dmidecode, file, hddtemp, iproute2, kmod, lm-sensors, mesa-utils, net-tools, sudo, usbutils, x11-utils, x11-xserver-utils
Homepage: http://smxi.org/docs/inxi.htm
Download-Size: 165 kB
APT-Sources: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch/main amd64 Packages
Description: full featured system information script
 Inxi is a system information script that can display various things about
 your hardware and software to users in an IRC chatroom or support forum.
 It runs with the /exec command in most IRC clients.
 
Old 08-22-2019, 05:16 AM   #15
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