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Old 04-18-2004, 07:47 PM   #1
londonboi
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Angry Goodbye Debian


I would just like to note, that after i got banned and kicked from the debian channel on freenode IRC, I have removed debian from my system and gone back to Windows.

I Had a problem with my X config when i did a kernel upgrade, so i went and asked on IRC debian channel for the first time, and this was after 2 days of searching for the solution on the net.

I got to normal RTHM and one guy told me that debian people dont care about X problems and i sould F off. I have the chat transcript aswell.

I thought that the Linux comunity was helpfull and that everyone was willing to help each other. I guess that i Was wrong and I never got the problem fixed.

I am not trolling and i am not a on linux, I have been using it for over 2 years.

Anyway Good luck everyone who stays with debian. I hope you have better luck then i did.

Londonboi

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Old 04-18-2004, 08:15 PM   #2
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may be they werent helpful in the irc but this forum is gr8 and it helped me alot , u could give a try to distros that are based on debian .
i am using libranet 2.8 its based on debian and its fun using it
 
Old 04-18-2004, 08:21 PM   #3
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unfortunately that is what IRC is anymore................
a bunch of jerks/idiots sitting around with bots...........and kick/banning people for no good reason................
 
Old 04-18-2004, 09:03 PM   #4
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Ok, so i guess i was a little mad when i wrote that, buut its like 2am in the morning. Anyways I deleted debian of the hard disks of my laptop and PC.



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may be they werent helpful in the irc but this forum is gr8 and it helped me alot , u could give a try to distros that are based on debian .
Thanks for the suggestion...... I just downloaded the clasic one which i think is 2.7 and i am now upgrading it to the unstable brance.... So i hope it all works.... X aswell..

I amcurrently having a few dependcy problems, but nothing i cant handle.

Ill give it this final shot....... then if it fails i will try one of the rpm distros

Londonboi

I little less peeeeeed of
 
Old 04-18-2004, 09:40 PM   #5
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i hope that everything works fine with u this time
 
Old 04-18-2004, 10:44 PM   #6
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hey man, don't take things like that personally. this is an example of one bad seed ruining the fun for everyone. it's like how all of our society is paranoid of eachother because like 1/1,000,000 people are psycopaths....better safe than sorry i guess.
 
Old 04-18-2004, 11:41 PM   #7
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londonboi, your experience on irc doesn't concern anyone here. if they said RTFM, probably they thought it was too trivial to answer. If someone tells you the same thing on a windows irc shannel will you get read of windows... i don't think so ... your attitude is a little bit childish.
The way someone answers you depends on the way you ask your question and the kind of questions you ask :
questions
*modify your xfree file
-where is xfree file
-how do i edit it
-where is vim
-how do i use vim
-how do i create a new line
-what do i do after
*RTFM

instead of RTFM they should have sent you to xfree web site or google, depending on your questions, this is what i would have done
 
Old 04-19-2004, 01:58 AM   #8
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Yup.. the guys at the IRC are going to be rude most of the time, not always.. but unfortunately ... that is my experience too.

Unlikely this forums. The people here is nicer and more helpful. =D

The ppl in the IRC have an attitude problem.
 
Old 04-19-2004, 09:02 AM   #9
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Quote:
ondonboi, your experience on irc doesn't concern anyone here. if they said RTFM, probably they thought it was too trivial to answer. If someone tells you the same thing on a windows irc shannel will you get read of windows... i don't think so ... your attitude is a little bit childish.
Mate, this is the kind of attitude i am talking about..... I had ALREADY been through ALL of that. If you read my inital pt it would have said 2 days of searching BEFORE i went on IRC. this is not a few hours a day this is WHOLE days.

Besides. your statment about too trivial to answer... that is a very eletist statment and has no place in the Linux comuinty in my opineon. If you can't give an aswer that is relevent to the question then A) EIther keep you eletist comments to yourself and shut up, or B) point to a direction where you mayget better help.

RTFM = no help if you have done that
Google is your frien = no help if you have done that

That is not a stab at you mate, just my opinion and i am sure that many will ag
ree with me.

P.S. Sorry for the spelling
 
Old 04-19-2004, 12:04 PM   #10
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I seem to remember assisting you in the past as a fellow Brit. I think like anything in life one has to find a home where you feel comfortable with the people around you. People of like ilk tend to aggregate. I have found for the most part that the visitors here seem polite, friendly and very helpful and I enjoy coming here several times a day and have learnt a lot and hopefully helped others. Like everything in life if one shows a willingness to learn and at least show that some research has been done then most of people are more than willing to help. The people that get under everyones skin are the people who continually slag off the os and never try the suggestions. This is common to all things in life.
 
Old 04-19-2004, 12:23 PM   #11
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Quote:
Originally posted by londonboi
Mate, this is the kind of attitude i am talking about..... I had ALREADY been through ALL of that. If you read my inital pt it would have said 2 days of searching BEFORE i went on IRC. this is not a few hours a day this is WHOLE days.
I think he meant that it all depends on HOW you asked your question rather than saying it was your fault, because we didn't see your actual question, we can't say.

(although I'm perfectly willing to believe you ran into some jerks on IRC...they seem to be 95% of the population there these days).


Given the nature of IRC, I never understood how someone could ask a decent linux question (which SHOULD include all sorts of info) and get a decent answer...it just lends itself to dumb questions quoted above that pretty much ask for an "RTFM" answer.

However, his other point was valid...what's IRC to us? Unless you just wanted to blow off steam which feels good at times, but isn't really accomplishing anything AND seems like trolling to boot (not that I'm saying you're a troll...but your post sounds a lot like the idiotic "goodbye I'm going back to windows" posts we get now and again)

It would be much better to have us look for a solution to your problem in the first place no?
 
Old 04-19-2004, 01:44 PM   #12
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hehe, well i guess was blowng off steam a little

Going back to windows, well in that instence i can say not in this life time, I guess that mac would be as far as i go, but linux would have to blow my pc up frst *grin*

Anyhows, I often do lots of research before askng a question these days, and "googleing" around. When i need an answer fast find IRC should be the best way. emphisis on the should part.....

On IRC the question i asked was formulated with all reqired information needed, as far as i can tell, and even flooded the #flood channel with the log files. But the eletist attitude of some users is atronomical.

I dont doubt that Lnuxquestions.org is more of a friendly place, indeed i have myself tried to help people.... however you still get the eletist responces here when a neewbie asks a question.

RTFM in those cases may be justified, however that could be told in a polte way, and maybe telling the person the solutilon to the problem (if know or at least a ponter in the right direct) is more helpfull. How much help can RTFM or Google is your friend be if the person does not know what he is looking for in the first place?

Anyway, I could go on for hours about this, in 2 years of using Linux i see it over and over again and it does not help, in fact i think it hinders people switching over. but i am ranting now so i will go, lol.

Anyway have a good one
 
Old 04-20-2004, 02:58 AM   #13
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BTW londonboi I just thought I'd give you a few pointers for your X problems.

I recently upgraded two different machines with two different types of video hardware from woody to sid and both broke. I spent hours trying to figure it out (googling was no help) and then realised that on both machines I'd done some hacks to get the video working. These hacks were no longer compatible with the upgraded and properly functioning Debian packages.

So, have a look at what packages you've installed. Did you install any debs that were non-standard? If so removing them might help. Did you do any non-standard things to your XFree86? If so, go back to the original version.

And if you're using framebuffer devices make sure you've installed/compiled the right modules and that XFree86 is configured to use these properly.

Hope that helps.
 
Old 04-20-2004, 09:20 AM   #14
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Hi every body
I want only to say to LONDONBOI, I am very sorry for you, but I think you do a wrong choice to leave linux, I don't say debian but linux.
Ok, I agree that debian is difficult to install but there are many other possibilities for the new user.
For example get the koppix and I am sure that your problem will be solved immedialy,
or fedora or suse.
In linux OS you have always many solutions , and free solutions.
now a question suppose a minute that you have the graphical problem with your window$, so certainly search for drivers and buy it ?

Here collegues give you solution and help without counterpart
I am sure you 'll come in few months

bye
bela
 
Old 04-20-2004, 09:44 AM   #15
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have u tried xandros its deb based but it does work

ive been using it for about 18 mths and it aint gone wrong yet
 
  


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