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Old 08-14-2005, 01:32 PM   #1
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from redhat to debbian


Hi All,

I'm looking at switching from Fedora to Debian 3.1. I very much like the Fedora 3 package update system and the way it lets you know automatically when there are new packages to install. I know that apt get has a manual feature to do this but I have two questions:

1) what is the defaul web address that apt get queries for updates and

2) does it have an automatic package update alert like the one I use with the Gnome desktop in FC3 ?


Thanks Much,

aquaboot
 
Old 08-14-2005, 01:46 PM   #2
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Re: from redhat to debbian

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Originally posted by aquaboot
I'm looking at switching from Fedora to Debian 3.1. I very much like the Fedora 3 package update system and the way it lets you know automatically when there are new packages to install. I know that apt get has a manual feature to do this but I have two questions:

1) what is the defaul web address that apt get queries for updates and

2) does it have an automatic package update alert like the one I use with the Gnome desktop in FC3 ?
I can't answer your questions for Debian pure, but the default web addresses for apt-get sources (repositories) vary by distribution. You can always add your own, too. In fact, there's a site that lists almost all the apt-get repositories out there:

http://www.apt-get.org/main.php

I use Ubuntu, which is Debian-based, and there's a little red lightning bolt that shows up in the panel when updates are ready to be installed. (I actually hate this, so I took it off the panel.)
 
Old 08-14-2005, 02:05 PM   #3
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Thanks for the reply. I have a copy of Ubuntu 5.04 and was also thinking about using that. How do you like it?

-ab
 
Old 08-14-2005, 02:30 PM   #4
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Originally posted by aquaboot
Thanks for the reply. I have a copy of Ubuntu 5.04 and was also thinking about using that. How do you like it?

-ab
I like it, but... I have to say, if you like point-and-click installations with point-and-click configuration, you won't like Ubuntu. It also doesn't come with anything nonfree (proprietary multimedia codecs and such).

That said, if you don't mind the command-line a little (just for installation and setup--after that, it's all point-and-click), and you follow the instructions in the Ubuntu Guide, you'll have no problems.

I like a few things about Ubuntu:

1. Great community--very helpful
2. Wonderful documentation (guide mentioned above)
3. New release every six months
4. Totally free
5. Debian-based

If you are more a point-and-click person, I'd highly recommend Mepis. Just about everything there is point-and-click (partitioning, adding repositories, reinstalling the boot loader, etc.)
If you don't want to leave your Fedora roots, you could also try Blag. Blag is Fedora-based, but it also has apt capabilities and Synaptic Package Manager.

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Old 08-15-2005, 05:33 AM   #5
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Re: from redhat to debbian

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what is the defaul web address that apt get queries for updates and
during installation the apt will suggest you closest mirror. In Debain 3.1 Sarge most of packages are in same official repository.

You'll need only few additional for packages like w32codecs or acroread.

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does it have an automatic package update alert like the one I use with the Gnome desktop in FC3?
Not sure about this - but if you go for Sarge you'll not get many updates at all.
It is stable and recives only security updates - not like FC that has huge amount of updates all the time.

If you want you can allways open synaptic and see what are upgradeable packages...

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Thanks for the reply. I have a copy of Ubuntu 5.04 and was also thinking about using that. How do you like it?
It is much more bleeding edge distribution that generally less stable and does not have support for stuff like mp3 and others goodies...

However if you worked with FC it will be fine for you... You are familiar with these problems.

If you don't want deal with them go for Sarge

Sarge is much more stable and polished
 
Old 08-21-2005, 03:40 AM   #6
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Re: Re: from redhat to debbian

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Not sure about this - but if you go for Sarge you'll not get many updates at all.
---Yes, that's right. But in 'pure Debian' is a good thing being used to perform a simple apt-get update at least once or twice a day...and mandatory before every apt-get install.


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It is stable and recives only security updates - not like FC that has huge amount of updates all the time.
---I agree w/this, as well....Debian worries mainly about security...and hence the constant daily security updates....

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Sarge is much more stable and polished
---Yes, you rule lol
 
Old 08-21-2005, 10:10 AM   #7
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Debian does not have an automatic notice to update you of new updates. That is because everyone's sources list is different. Your sources list will only contain the addresses of the repositories to the applications and drivers you are running. When you install Sarge, you will do an update as part of the install. After the install, if you want to install additional applications, drivers and such, you might be required to add new addresses to that list. The location of the list is /etc/apt/sources.list. If you need to add a new address, you use a text editor (I use pico for this because it is so simple), add the address, run apt-get update and then apt-get install "new program". It is that simple. If you want, you can comment out that address afterwards to avoid updating the new app again if you want.
Hope to see you over here soon.

Good luck!

 
  


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