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Old 08-28-2006, 09:30 PM   #1
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Fresh install of Etch?


Hello all,

Today I did a dist-upgrade on my Sarge machine. I was more or less forced to do so as less and less packages could be installed without running into major dependency problems.

This said: the dist-upgrade is a disaster. Xorg has errors, missing font libraries, mousedev missing, Konqueror misbehaves, Gnome instead of KDE, ugly fonts, crashing applications.

I have installed several machines freshly with Etch, and they gave no problem whatsoever. Now I *can* imagine that performing a dist upgrade replacing 500+ packages becomes a bit difficult to manage, nobody is being blamed here.

I could try and solve this the Linux way, and solving the problems one by one. But I am afraid that is gonna take a lot of time. I have seen a lot of recommendations in this forum to do a fresh install of Etch. Sigh. I know it is the ..uhm ..other.. way.

However, I would prefer not to go thru the full netinstall (and download 700MB worth of files). My internet connection is not that fast, and all files *are* present in the /var/cache. Is there another way to simply wipe out Xorg, KDE and whatever, and do a dumb install? Even if I have to strip the machine to the bare kernel itself and start installing from there I am fine. Is there any good way to do that?

jlinkels

PS. Six months ago I have a same disastrous problem. I wiped out a *little* to much, including apt. I am looking for a bit smarter way to install Etch.
 
Old 08-29-2006, 01:58 PM   #2
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I just ran into this same problem. The first thing I did was to install deborphan and use it to purge anything missing a dependency. That helped immensely. I then had to purge x-window-system-core and run deborphan again.

Then I reinstalled x-window-system-core and kdebase. Since then everything seems to be okay. The only lingering problem is that I can't compile a kernel with make gconfig even though all the libraries are installed... But with Sarge I couldn't use make xconfig, but that works now, so I'm okay.
 
Old 08-29-2006, 02:59 PM   #3
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Good advice, thank you. I will try that.

What I did so far was deleting every configuration file of misbehaving applications in KDE, and that helped as well.

The missing mousedev I can solve by modprobing it manually. (But only that, including in /etc/modules seems to load it at the wrong moment) USB mouse I haven't seen to work either.

The ragged fonts are stll there, but that seems to be a feature of Xorg 7.0.

The good (incredibly good) news is that the Xorg driver for Nvidia supports almost every conceivable graphics card, including the Geforce4 MX 440 chipset and Gefroce FX5200 right out of the box. Getting support for the 440 was the main reason for upgrade.

I keep my proceedings posted, but uhm, this dist-upgrade is not for the faint-of-heart.

jlinkels
 
Old 08-29-2006, 03:09 PM   #4
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Quote:
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I keep my proceedings posted, but uhm, this dist-upgrade is not for the faint-of-heart.

jlinkels
I've dist-upgraded 3 times total now. The first two were from stable to the next stable after it was released (i.e. Potato --> Woody --> Sarge). Those two went well with as far as I can tell no errors. But I followed the recommended upgrade path. This last one I was dinking around with my box at home and decided to dist-upgrade to testing. As I've mentioned, it didn't go so well. But I'm optimistic that it'll go better on my work laptop when I upgrade to Stable Etch...
 
Old 09-02-2006, 03:41 PM   #5
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I'm in the same boat. I think I'll just install etch.
 
Old 09-02-2006, 08:02 PM   #6
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Don't.

I haven't worked out all yet, and I had not the time to follow up my posting. After all I solved most problems and I am happy that I did not do a fresh install. Although this costed me a week which in fact I had to spend on serious work.

However, the ragged fonts issue is solved. You have to uncheck "do not antialias fonts..." in Control Center | Appearance & Themes | Fonts. Somehow it seems that this option is checked as a discrepancy between KDE ver 3.3 and 3.5.

If you desktop suddenly refuses to start, check this thread.

Loading the mouse driver has not been solved yet, I modprobe mousedev manually. It works only for PS/2.

The cursor font is missing in the xorg installation. Although the cursor.pfc.gz is present in the /usr/share/X11/fonts/misc directory. On older systems, cursor.pfa is present in the /usr/share/X11/fonts/Type1 directory. I copied this file to my Etch system. Ran mkfontdir and mkfontscale. The font wouldn't show up. Downloaded an entire type1 directory from altlinux. Put it in /usr/share/X11/fonts/altlinux directory. Put an entry in xorg.conf. The cursor font is working now. Not that nice after all.

You have to delete every file konqu* in your ~/.kde directory. It screws konqueror using an old config.

devices:/ doesn't exist anymore in KDE 3.5. You have to change the URL to media:/ It behaves the same.

What other problems do you have?

jlinkels
 
Old 09-02-2006, 10:36 PM   #7
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Well, seeing as how I just installed sarge yesterday, I didn't lose much, and etch is truly the new hotness.
 
Old 09-02-2006, 10:43 PM   #8
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Just make sure you have a separate /home partition ... Makes reinstalls, when something like this happens, a piece of cake. Reinstall anytime, but don't format the /home partition.
 
Old 09-03-2006, 07:52 AM   #9
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Rednovember, what do yo mean with "etch is the new hotness". I am not a native English speaker so I don't understand whether you mean this in a negative or positive sense.

As for the first part of your sentence, I agree that Sarge is fine. I run it still on 2 of my regular other machines. The only problem that I experience is that I get more and more dependency problems, and that more packages require the upgrade of 400 other packages.

Rickh: I know about this home dir thing. However be careful that a lot of KDE applications sometimes have problems with the settings in the ~/.kde directory from one version to the next.

And then my original question again: how do you start a fresh install if you do not want to use the netinstaller and skip the partitioning stuff etc.

jlinkels
 
Old 09-03-2006, 11:09 AM   #10
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Rednovember, what do yo mean with "etch is the new hotness". I am not a native English speaker so I don't understand whether you mean this in a negative or positive sense.

As for the first part of your sentence, I agree that Sarge is fine. I run it still on 2 of my regular other machines. The only problem that I experience is that I get more and more dependency problems, and that more packages require the upgrade of 400 other packages.

Rickh: I know about this home dir thing. However be careful that a lot of KDE applications sometimes have problems with the settings in the ~/.kde directory from one version to the next.

And then my original question again: how do you start a fresh install if you do not want to use the netinstaller and skip the partitioning stuff etc.

jlinkels
The new hotness is a good thing, as in "This Mercedes is the new hotness."

As for the home dir thing, I've been doing that ever since I started linux way back with SimplyMEPIS, through SuSE, Slackware and now Debian. It's a really smart thing to do. One thing I do though is either rename or delete the ~/.kde directory. One thing you can do is rename it if you multiboot. Say you run slackware but wanted to boot SuSE for a day or two: just rename ~/.kde to ~/.kde-slack, and change your previously created ~/.kde-suse back to ~/.kde.
 
  


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