Debian Woody, Sarge or Sid?

Zaskar · 02-29-2004, 12:30 AM

heya guys, i have pretty much a sucsessfull install of Debian Woodie 2.4, so i now am pretty use to the acustomization from Redhat/Fedora to Debian.

i use my linux box for a HL server (one i do for fun, not a mission critical one i rent) and basic functions.

acually all i really need it to run is:

fluxbox
flash
java
firefox browser
Half-Life Dedicated server

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id probably want to try out the gentoo file manager also, but i havent even otten around to that on woodie yet
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all of which after a bit of re learning, got working fine on woodie bf24 (had no choice, older kernel options wouldnt even see my HD's cause they are on a scsii card that they diddnt detect)

i wouldnt mind re installing to a newer testing release if it wont compromize those apps i just mentioned

another thing to note, i dont have experiance compiling a kernel, espically a 2.6 kernel, so i cant use a custom one for this (adding modules is about all i really can do, like i had to add a net card and audio module in the inital install) do the newer ones come with good predone kernels like the bf24 one im using now?

thanks guys, this forum has been a big help on my Debian Switch (so much cleaner and stable then Redhat and Espically Fedora. This Less is More philosify with debian is really growing on me.

-Krause

HappyTux · 02-29-2004, 01:32 AM

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Originally posted by Zaskar
heya guys, i have pretty much a sucsessfull install of Debian Woodie 2.4, so i now am pretty use to the acustomization from Redhat/Fedora to Debian.

i use my linux box for a HL server (one i do for fun, not a mission critical one i rent) and basic functions.

acually all i really need it to run is:

fluxbox
flash
java
firefox browser
Half-Life Dedicated server

all of which after a bit of re learning, got working fine on woodie bf24 (had no choice, older kernel options wouldnt even see my HD's cause they are on a scsii card that they diddnt detect)

Never used the half-life but the rest of those applications are available in Sarge/SID so you would have to make sure that the half-life is available for the newer libraries in those branches.

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i wouldnt mind re installing to a newer testing release if it wont compromize those apps i just mentioned

No need to reinstall you can upgrade the installation if you have a network connection. You would have to put extra lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list for the Sarge/SID branches then dselect upgrade to update both the apt and dpkg databases and next apt-get -s dist-upgrade to upgrade the entire install you would remove the -s from the line for the simulation of the dist-upgrade if you are happy with the results to actually install.

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another thing to note, i dont have experiance compiling a kernel, espically a 2.6 kernel, so i cant use a custom one for this (adding modules is about all i really can do, like i had to add a net card and audio module in the inital install) do the newer ones come with good predone kernels like the bf24 one im using now?

Compiling are kernel on Debian is extremely easy thing to do a guide to doing so. If you do not wish to compile then you can get a pre-compiled kernel from the archives installed with apt-get kernel-image-2.?.?? .

Zaskar · 02-29-2004, 02:05 PM

oh cool man, thanks!

lets say i wanted to upgrade/reinstall with sarge or sid, which is the best method? net install? cds? im cool with not having much to start with besides apt-get and working from there.

and does bolth of those use glibc2.3? because that wil be a major factor to me

(as glibc2.2 versions of AMX mod for HL Dedicated server will soon be unsupported)

thanks again guys

-Krause

HappyTux · 02-29-2004, 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by Zaskar
oh cool man, thanks!

lets say i wanted to upgrade/reinstall with sarge or sid, which is the best method? net install? cds? im cool with not having much to start with besides apt-get and working from there.

You have a working woody install right and access to the internet though a decently fast connection? If so you use the dist-upgrade that I mentioned in my previous post.

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and does bolth of those use glibc2.3? because that wil be a major factor to me (as glibc2.2 versions of AMX mod for HL Dedicated server will soon be unsupported)

thanks again guys

-Krause

Yes but the package name is libc6 in Debian and the version(s) for Sarge/SID are at 2.3.

Code:

>$ apt-cache policy libc6
libc6:
  Installed: 2.3.2.ds1-11
  Candidate: 2.3.2.ds1-11
  Version Table:
 *** 2.3.2.ds1-11 0
        990 http://ftp2.de.debian.org testing/main Packages
        600 http://ftp2.de.debian.org unstable/main Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     2.2.5-11.5 0
        500 http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages
        500 http://ftp2.de.debian.org stable/main Packages
     2.2.5-9.woody.3 0
        990 http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Packages

Zaskar · 03-01-2004, 01:55 AM

oh cool man, thanks. i just tested the normal installer for Sarg on another machine... it doesnt seem to install as clean as a woodie bf24 install.

so im gonna follow your advice and just use woody and dist upgrade. seems thats the best option even for a fresh install as of now :/ (do a clean woodie, then dist upgrade)

-Zaskar

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just wondering, dist upgrade from woodie will upgrade it to glibc2.3 but it will lkeave my kernel right? (the bf2.4 is a nice kernel as far as stock ones go i think)

HappyTux · 03-01-2004, 02:29 AM

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Originally posted by Zaskar
oh cool man, thanks. i just tested the normal installer for Sarg on another machine... it doesnt seem to install as clean as a woodie bf24 install.

so im gonna follow your advice and just use woody and dist upgrade. seems thats the best option even for a fresh install as of now :/ (do a clean woodie, then dist upgrade)

-Zaskar

[EDIT]
just wondering, dist upgrade from woodie will upgrade it to glibc2.3 but it will lkeave my kernel right? (the bf2.4 is a nice kernel as far as stock ones go i think)

The package system does not know about the install kernel that is why you are expected to upgrade it yourself for the reasons I mentioned above so yes it will leave it alone. To save yourself time when you re-install just install a base system with a working apt and then edit the sources.list for the new branch and then do the update and dist-upgrade after that start installing packages you will need.

Zaskar · 03-01-2004, 12:37 PM

cool man will do.
is the only thing i need to change is "stable" to "testing" in apt sources?

and what should i do abouyt the security updates line of apt?

thanks again

-Zaskar