debian lacks some commands when first installed

baronobeefdip · 08-08-2010, 10:55 AM

last time i used debian it was missing some commands that were necessary for the stuff i was trying to install on it

debian has no software repositories (not as extensive as ubuntu but i guess thats why its so user friendly) and finding depencancies that are up to date is really hard seeing as though that the ubuntu site says is out of date

one of the commands that i really wished was on there was the MAKE commands
like make
make install
and i guess there are other make commands but is there an easy way (i am more than willing to try it the hard way if i have to)

snowday · 08-08-2010, 10:58 AM

aptitude install build-essential

druuna · 08-08-2010, 11:03 AM

Hi,

Make (and other development tools) is not part of the default installation, but can easily be installed: Debian Linux Install GNU GCC Compiler and Development Environment

Hope this helps.

the trooper · 08-08-2010, 11:08 AM

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debian has no software repositories (not as extensive as ubuntu but i guess thats why its so user friendly) and finding depencancies that are up to date is really hard seeing as though that the ubuntu site says is out of date

WTF?.

Debian has many possible repositories,see the list here:

http://sites.google.com/site/mydebiansourceslist/

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one of the commands that i really wished was on there was the MAKE commands

Code:

ade@Pc1:~$ aptitude show make
Package: make                            
State: installed
Automatically installed: yes
Version: 3.81-8
Priority: optional
Section: devel

Edit:I believe this is shown up as automatically installed as it is a dependency of build-essential:

Code:

ade@Pc1:~$ aptitude show build-essential
Package: build-essential                 
State: installed
Automatically installed: no
Version: 11.5
Priority: optional
Section: devel
Maintainer: Matthias Klose <doko@debian.org>
Uncompressed Size: 49.2k
Depends: libc6-dev | libc-dev, gcc (>= 4:4.4.3), g++ (>= 4:4.4.3), make, dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.5)
Description: Informational list of build-essential packages
 If you do not plan to build Debian packages, you don't need this package.  Starting with dpkg (>=
 1.14.18) this package is required for building Debian packages.

brucehinrichs · 08-08-2010, 11:09 AM

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debian has no software repositories

This is absolutely wrong. Take a look here.

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finding depencancies that are up to date is really hard seeing as though that the ubuntu site says is out of date

I have no idea what you mean by this. Debian's package manager is the same as ubuntu's. Exactly. The. Same.

Code:

apt-get update
apt-get upgrade
apt-cache search <guess-the-packagename>
apt-get install <packagename>

baronobeefdip · 08-08-2010, 11:33 AM

yeah apt-get requires the internet is there a way to get the essential builds without the internet (the computers i sometimes install OSs on don't have internet (except for wirless but the wireless drivers aren't there)

brucehinrichs · 08-08-2010, 11:38 AM

From http://www.debian.org/distrib/ :

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Download larger CD/DVD image files, record and install using that media only.

The CD/DVD images can be downloaded using HTTP/FTP, BitTorrent, or Jigdo.

The large CD and DVD images contain more packages, making it easier to install machines without an Internet connection. However, if you get a whole set of CDs or DVDs, you will get a lot of packages that you won't actually use.

Buy a set of CDs or DVDs from one of the vendors selling Debian CDs and install from it.

Many of the vendors sell the distribution for less than US$5 plus shipping (check their web page to see if they ship internationally).
Some of the books about Debian come with CDs, too.

Here are the basic advantages of CDs prepared by someone else:

Installation from a CD set is more straightforward.
You can install on machines without an Internet connection.
You can install Debian (on as many machines as you like) without downloading all packages yourself.
The CD can be used to more easily rescue a damaged Debian system.

EDIT: If you download or buy the entire set (31 CD's) you can install any/all possible official Debian packages without ever connecting to the internet.

the trooper · 08-08-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by baronobeefdip

yeah apt-get requires the internet is there a way to get the essential builds without the internet (the computers i sometimes install OSs on don't have internet (except for wirless but the wireless drivers aren't there)

If you have an install disc you might find it there dependent on which one you have.

Other than that you could download the build-essential .deb package on a machine that does have an internet connection and save the file to a usb flash drive.Then install the file on your Debian machine from the flash drive.

druuna · 08-08-2010, 11:46 AM

Hi,

I just checked DVD 1 (5.0.5 / lenny) and it is present on that one.

baronobeefdip · 08-08-2010, 12:22 PM

kool which cd image is it present on

druuna · 08-08-2010, 12:28 PM

Hi,

I only have that one DVD.

But you can check yourself, search for build-essential on the cd('s) you have.

Hope this helps.

craigevil · 08-08-2010, 12:32 PM

There are a few ways to install packages on a computer that isn't connected to the internet.

Welcome to Sushi, huh? package downloader for offline GNU/Linux systems

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Sushi, huh? is a program that allows downloading all the packages needed to install the programs you want on GNU/Linux without an Internet connection on your own computer.
Sushi, huh? is designed for people, which for example can not afford monthly Internet connection.
As installing software on GNU/Linux is a hard and complex process for those newcomers to the world of GNU/Linux, which itself does not have an Internet connection, Sushi, huh? simplifies this task, making it as automatically as possible.

Keryx Project « Updates for offline Linux users

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Keryx is a portable, cross-platform package manager for APT-based (Ubuntu, Debian) systems. It provides a graphical interface for gathering updates, packages, and dependencies for offline computers. Keryx is free and open source.

apt-zip
Description: Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media
These scripts simplify the process of using dselect and apt on a
non-networked Debian box, using removable media like ZIP floppies and
USB keys.
One generates a `fetch' script (supporting backends such as wget and
lftp, in a modular, extensible way) to be run on a host with better
connectivity, check space constraints of your removable media, and
then install the package on your Debian box.
Homepage: http://alioth.debian.org/projects/apt-zip

APT HOWTO Basic Configuration

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Adding a CD-ROM to the sources.list file

If you'd rather use your CD-ROM for installing packages or updating your system automatically with APT, you can put it in your sources.list. To do so, you can use the apt-cdrom program like this:

# apt-cdrom add

with the Debian CD-ROM in the drive. It will mount the CD-ROM, and if it's a valid Debian CD it will look for package information on the disk. If your CD-ROM configuration is a little unusual, you can also use the following options:

-h - program help
-d directory - CD-ROM mount point
-r - Rename a recognized CD-ROM
-m - No mounting
-f - Fast mode, don't check package files
-a - Thorough scan mode

For example:

# apt-cdrom -d /home/kov/mycdrom add

You can also identify a CD-ROM, without adding it to your list:

# apt-cdrom ident

AptCdrom - Community Ubuntu Documentation https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptCdrom

BTW Debian has just as many if not more packages than Ubuntu. Synaptic shows I have 30,583 packages available.

baronobeefdip · 08-08-2010, 12:34 PM

where do i check to see what packages of software are on each cd other than cd #1

druuna · 08-08-2010, 12:39 PM

Hi,

I do assume that the directory structure is somewhat the same on cd/dvd 2 and higher compared to cd/dvd 1.

If so: pool/main/b/ should hold a build-essential directory.

If not: Do a search on the whole cd as proposed in post #11.

Hope this helps.

baronobeefdip · 08-08-2010, 03:28 PM

its alot more convenient to know what software packages are on the disk before i download it