[SOLVED] debian kde browser

theAdmiral · 08-11-2015, 11:02 AM

Which browser ships with Debian KDE? Iceweasel or Firefox?

jdkaye · 08-11-2015, 12:05 PM

Iceweasel and Konqueror but it's easy enough to use Firefox (I use Nightly) if you prefer.
jdk

theAdmiral · 08-11-2015, 12:12 PM

Do you mean you can install Firefox and run it without the typical, widely elaborate workarounds?

Timothy Miller · 08-11-2015, 01:37 PM

No, for true firefox, you'd have to install manually. Although no reason to bother if you want to run a stable version, as iceweasel behaves exactly identical.

There will never be a Debian proper that has Firefox without modification, the Firefox emblem and name won't be used because they're trademarked, or copyrighted, or something that causes Debian to be unwilling to use it in their "main" branch.

jdkaye · 08-12-2015, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theAdmiral

Do you mean you can install Firefox and run it without the typical, widely elaborate workarounds?

I am unaware of any necessary workarounds, elaborate or not.
1. Download the appropriate version of Firefox from the FFX website. If your language is not US-English you select the language you want from the pull-down menu.
2. These downloaded files are in a "tarball", a .tar.bz2 file so extract them in a convenient folder (using your file manager or the tar command in a terminal).

Code:

tar jxvf <*name of tar.bz2 file*>

3. Once extracted, all the files (from step 2) will be in a folder called "firefox". You can move the "firefox" folder to its permanent location (I put it in /opt)
4.Set up a shortcut to firefox with the target being /opt/firefox/firefox.
It's more complicated to explain it than to do it.
jdk

mzsade · 08-12-2015, 02:07 AM

There's a simpler way, at least i find it so, download the appropriate .deb file, if you have Gdebi installed it's just a matter of double-clicking on the package or you could do a

Code:

sudo dpkg -i /path/to/.deb/file

followed by

Code:

sudo apt-get install -f

to take care of unmet dependencies. But why would you want to mess with the integrity of your Debian. I have the latest Firefox running on LMDE Mate and trust me, there's not a whit of difference performance-wise. In fact there's been no development effort on it since version 31.0 as far as i can tell. These new versions they come out with at regular intervals are just an arithmetic sequence.

Timothy Miller · 08-12-2015, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mzsade

There's a simpler way, at least i find it so, download the appropriate .deb file, if you have Gdebi installed it's just a matter of double-clicking on the package or you could do a

Code:

sudo dpkg -i /path/to/.deb/file

followed by

Code:

sudo apt-get install -f

to take care of unmet dependencies. But why would you want to mess with the integrity of your Debian. I have the latest Firefox running on LMDE Mate and trust me, there's not a whit of difference performance-wise. In fact there's been no development effort on it since version 31.0 as far as i can tell. These new versions they come out with at regular intervals are just an arithmetic sequence.

More like just security patches.

mzsade · 08-12-2015, 01:04 PM

Of course, those could be significant to system administrators running servers, silly of me not to take that into account. :-)

jdkaye · 08-12-2015, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mzsade

There's a simpler way, at least i find it so, download the appropriate .deb file, if you have Gdebi installed it's just a matter of double-clicking on the package or you could do a

Code:

sudo dpkg -i /path/to/.deb/file

followed by

Code:

sudo apt-get install -f

to take care of unmet dependencies. But why would you want to mess with the integrity of your Debian. I have the latest Firefox running on LMDE Mate and trust me, there's not a whit of difference performance-wise. In fact there's been no development effort on it since version 31.0 as far as i can tell. These new versions they come out with at regular intervals are just an arithmetic sequence.

I was talking about downloading from the Mozilla website. In that case you won't get a .deb file so you can't use dpkg. You get a tarball, as I explained above. I use Debian so there is only Iceweasel and not Firefox in the repositories. The OP was talking about the browser that comes with Debian.
jdk

mzsade · 08-12-2015, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdkaye

I was talking about downloading from the Mozilla website. In that case you won't get a .deb file so you can't use dpkg. You get a tarball, as I explained above. I use Debian so there is only Iceweasel and not Firefox in the repositories. The OP was talking about the browser that comes with Debian.
jdk

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/815653
https://www.google.co.in/#q=download...40+deb+package

theAdmiral · 08-12-2015, 04:18 PM

1. Let me begin by thanking all of the contributors to this post. Without all of your input I would doubtless have much less information for what was to me an important decision about which desktop environment for me to use.
2. Since I originally posted this question, I have migrated to Debian 8.1 + KDE. Now that I understand *why* Debian uses its own branding of Firefox (i.e.-Iceweasel), it is easier just to use Iceweasel. What prompted the question in the first place was a suspicion that Firefox would not have a problem with testing PHP pages like Iceweasel does. After researching this problem sufficiently, I can see that there is a fix to this problem. So the problem is present in both Firefox and Iceweasel, and to fix the problem in both (?) browsers, the same approach is utilized.

Timothy Miller · 08-12-2015, 04:35 PM

Yeah, iceweasel in every way except name and icon is Firefox.

mzsade · 08-12-2015, 04:59 PM

Glad you worked it out, if you want the release (alpha), beta or aurora versions here's how you can get them;
http://mozilla.debian.net/

jdkaye · 08-13-2015, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mzsade

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/815653
https://www.google.co.in/#q=download...40+deb+package

Maybe I wasn't being clear. I was talking about Debian and not Ubuntu. No doubt you can scrounge up Firefox .deb files from a variety of places (but NOT from the Mozilla site, as I said in my post. In that case I find the option of downloading a a tarball from Mozilla, unpacking it and moving the resulting folder into a place of your choice the easier option.
jdk

mzsade · 08-13-2015, 02:56 AM

I am so sorry, that was a knee-jerk reaction to what i thought was the OP's plaint, should've read the reply in it's entirety. Anyway, if one was to go ahead and install Firefox instead of Iceweasel in Debian regardless of recommendations to the contrary, it'd make no difference if he got the deb package from Mozilla or elsewhere. It'd still be better practice than say, adding an Ubuntu PPA.