Debian graphic installer! need info
I heard a loooong time ago that sarge debian had a new installer... a graphical one... is it loaded by default when installing for first time??
The thing is I have a little server, mail and apache... nothing special i have it just to learn, and i want to go from fedora to debian, cuz i heard debian its more secure, what would you guys? good change?? or makes no difference?? |
The graphical installer is only on Etch, not Sarge. Etch is what you should be installing anyway. At the boot prompt, type "installgui" ... I think. I never have used it. The ncurses installer is the same thing ... without the mouse.
I would not guarantee you that Debian is more secure than Fedora ... Lots of things go into security besides which distro you install. It may be easier to find documentation on Debian Security than Fedora, I don't know. |
"installgui" it is
Or "expertgui", which gives you a few more options.
Their new graphical installer isn't much different than the text-based installer (but it sure is a lot more pink!). You can get CD images of the soon-to-be-stable Debian Etch here (note that there's "CD 1" images that will install KDE or Xfce rather than the default GNOME). And there's an interesting review of RC1 here. |
The text based Debian installer is really quite solid. Having been bitten many times by Mr Gates' GUI's, I personally really find comfort in the stability and reliability of text based systems.
In my opinion, once you go text you won't go back :) |
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But it is a bit too pink yeah :) |
So lets wrap this one out... Theres no promise of better security in debian than in fedora, but documentation is easier to find for debian.
And graphical installer is... well, pink!... am i right?? |
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Security!! There is plenty of info on security for Debian. But your security will depend on what version you install. If you install Sarge/stable you get up to date security updates daily/weekly. Since etch/Testing is constantly changing, the security updates are late or not at all depending on what the security problem was. It might be fixed in the next version of a program as it is tested and reinstalled so no new security update is necessary. However you can include in your menu.lst file(Debian's software location list for updating) a line which will pull the stable security updates as they come out but they may not be effective if you are running etch/Testing. Hope I've made myself clear. I am running etch/Testing and have not had security problems tho, w. firewalls on each box and a firewall on my router as well. But I also don't go places other's might so.... Quote:
Hope that helps. I love Debian. But others love Fedora. You are probably doing the right thing to set up a "play" box to just mess around w. both of them to see which one you might like best. But I did some research on both before I setlled on Debian so did not feel a need to do the same. The long and short of it is I just like Debian better. I like the organization they have and their output. But I know Fedora/RedHat is a very well liked and respected distro too. Both of them are used in enterprise areas heavily. Whit |
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Thanks for the correction. I was unaware that this new security team had been organized and was/is operating. I'm gonna' have to edit my sources.list file to update it. But, I looked at the Debian.org site to see just what was up and in order for folks to be up on what is happening w. Debian Testing Security they can check this Faq: http://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing And there is more here: http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ Anyway, thanks Rick for correcting my info. I am always ready to learn and too, always make sure I buy all my pencils w. erasures just so I don't get in trouble long term. :) Still love Debian. And they're always just gettin' better. ;) Whit |
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Just putting in my :twocents:
If you install a server, why would you want the insecurity of a GUI in the first place? (yes, I know it's only for installation, but still...) And as mentioned before: apparently the GUI version doesn't include all dependencies, for some reason or another... As for the Fedora vs Debian thingy: each distro has it's own intended audience and serves them well. With the introduction of SELinux (starting in Fedora (Core 3 or 4), nonetheless!) it doesn't really matter which distro you choose. Fact is, that w/o SELinux Debian is a little safer by default when first installed, but as said: SELinux removed that advantage. |
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