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Old 05-15-2011, 11:02 AM   #1
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Complications when I want to install Debian!


Hi all my name is Fernando, I'm from Uruguay newbie in the forum.
I have tryed to install yesterday Debian Squeeze from the live CD and I could connect to the internet using PPPoE, DSL configuration with the Network Manager, it works fine but when I want to install the system the installation program automatically disconnects me from the internet with the DSL configuration that I'm using to configure a DHCP conection automatically and everytime that it tries to configure that automatically it fails and I don't have internet connection throughout the installation progress, so it won't download the necessary packages for the final system to work properly meaning that I won't have the Network Manager or Synaptic or anything that may lead to a functional system (I've went through that before).
Then: What can I do to configure the DSL connection while I'm installing the system? If is there a possibility to do such thing. And other one: Can I add the original repositories from the Linux Mint 10 Live CD after the installation? Or is it Utopian?
In advance thank you for your time and your attention.

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Old 05-15-2011, 11:04 AM   #2
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I forgot to tell you...when I do "apt-get update" from the terminal as root I don't get the updated repositories that's why I ask for that of the Linux Mint 10 Live CD.....

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Old 05-15-2011, 09:49 PM   #3
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No Mint is Ubuntu based, Not Debian. Do not mix the two.

You can use the Mint LMDE repo more or less safely.
# Linux Mint Debian http://www.linuxmint.com/blog/?p=1527
# List of packages: http://packages.linuxmint.com/list.php?release=Debian
# Default LMDE repositories
# Secure APT - apt-get install linuxmint-keyring
# deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main upstream import backport romeo

Suggested Debian Squeeze sources.list:
##################
## Debian Stable ##
##################
#Stable
#deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
#Stable Sources
#deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free

#Security Updates http://www.debian.org/security/
#deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free

# Please note: The debian-volatile project has been discontinued with the Debian "Squeeze" release.
# See http://lists.debian.org/debian-volat.../msg00000.html for details.
# Debian Volatile is now squeeze-updates
# Squeeze-updates
deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free

# Debian Stable Backports
# For information visit - http://backports.debian.org/
# Secure apt: apt-get install debian-backports-keyring
#deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free

You will most likely want the debian-multimedia.org repo as well.
##################
## MULTIMEDIA ##
##################
# Debian Multimedia Packages - http://debian-multimedia.org/
# DMM Mirrors http://debian-multimedia.org/debian-m.php
# Secure apt: apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring
# deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free

---------- Post added 05-15-11 at 09:50 PM ----------

No Mint is Ubuntu based, Not Debian. Do not mix the two.

You can use the Mint LMDE repo more or less safely.
# Linux Mint Debian http://www.linuxmint.com/blog/?p=1527
# List of packages: http://packages.linuxmint.com/list.php?release=Debian
# Default LMDE repositories
# Secure APT - apt-get install linuxmint-keyring
# deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main upstream import backport romeo

Suggested Debian Squeeze sources.list:
##################
## Debian Stable ##
##################
#Stable
#deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
#Stable Sources
#deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free

#Security Updates http://www.debian.org/security/
#deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free

# Please note: The debian-volatile project has been discontinued with the Debian "Squeeze" release.
# See http://lists.debian.org/debian-volat.../msg00000.html for details.
# Debian Volatile is now squeeze-updates
# Squeeze-updates
deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free

# Debian Stable Backports
# For information visit - http://backports.debian.org/
# Secure apt: apt-get install debian-backports-keyring
#deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free

You will most likely want the debian-multimedia.org repo as well.
##################
## MULTIMEDIA ##
##################
# Debian Multimedia Packages - http://debian-multimedia.org/
# DMM Mirrors http://debian-multimedia.org/debian-m.php
# Secure apt: apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring
# deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free
 
Old 05-16-2011, 05:59 AM   #4
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I think the best option for you is to download the first installation DVD, it contains all programs you want and doesn't need a network connection to install.
There also seems to be a misunderstanding, normally Live-CDs don't contain a repository, their installers work in a different way.
 
Old 05-16-2011, 12:13 PM   #5
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Thank you both for your answers, given that I've found that there are no Live DVD's for Debian which was my ideal solution for what TobiSGD tells me (I had heard of that before, that the DVD version of Debian doesn't need internet connection). I have to ask, but first; comparing the systems if you know about it: How better, I mean, more stable and faster is the LMDE against the Linux Mint 10?
My experience with Ubuntu 10.04 and 10.10 as I remember the 10.04 version was too bad for what Ubuntu was before those versions it was unstable (I had to restart several times my computer using Ubuntu 10.04) and in the compiz fusion plugins, the Wallpaper plugin didn't work as it usually worked on the versions before 10.04 and 10.10 it just dissapeared my background and it never showed the 4 different wallpapers (something that I use a lot).
Now, I think that Debian is the best or one of the best Linux O.S. and Linux Mint Debian Edition should have a good reputation as well, and, my experience with Linux Mint 9 and 10 tells me that Linux Mint is a very good and stable O.S. but it's not so fast as Ubuntu is on loading the system, something that Debian is, fast and stable. And what I think that they got by combining Debian and Linux Mint is a very stable system as Debian and Mint but also a much faster system as Debian but not as Mint for loading the sytem and starting up.
I might be right, I might be wrong thinking like that but I have to consider several options before improving something to do as "the right thing to do" and then making a move. What do you think, shall I download LMDE or I better stay with LM 10? Any experience to tell?
Again, thank you for your time and your attention.
 
Old 05-16-2011, 12:40 PM   #6
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LMDE and Linux Mint 10 are not comparable. Mint 10 is a stable release (means it doesn't get new versions of the installed software). LMDE is based on the Testing branch of Debian and is therefore a rolling release distro (at least somewhat). I wouldn't recommend this to a Linux newbie, because sometimes the Testing branch can break, and you need a little experience to fix it. I would recommend either to use Mint 10 (or wait for 11), or to stick to Debian.
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given that I've found that there are no Live DVD's for Debian which was my ideal solution for what TobiSGD tells me
You have misread my post. I didn't tell you to get a Live-DVD, I told you to get a installer-DVD. You can get them for 32 and 64 bit.
 
Old 05-16-2011, 02:18 PM   #7
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LMDE and Linux Mint 10 are not comparable. Mint 10 is a stable release (means it doesn't get new versions of the installed software). LMDE is based on the Testing branch of Debian and is therefore a rolling release distro (at least somewhat). I wouldn't recommend this to a Linux newbie, because sometimes the Testing branch can break, and you need a little experience to fix it. I would recommend either to use Mint 10 (or wait for 11), or to stick to Debian.
You have misread my post. I didn't tell you to get a Live-DVD, I told you to get a installer-DVD. You can get them for 32 and 64 bit.
Correct me if I am wrong but I think mint puts out a version with every release of Ubuntu. That would mean that as opposed to LMDE being based on Debian testing they would all be based on Debian unstable as is Ubuntu (except for the LTS which is based on Debian testing).

Ubuntu calls them stable releases. Debian has a higher definition of stable.
 
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No, Debian has a different (not higher) definition of stable. In Debian stable means that there never will be newer versions of software in the stable release, only security fixes. That is what I meant when I was saying that Mint 10 is a stable release, it doesn't get higher software versions and will therefore not be prone to break as a rolling release is.
I would never recommend a rolling release distro to a newbie.

In regards to Ubuntu, IMHO a Ubuntu release can never be considered stable (as in bug-free), just because they rank their release date higher than any bug-counter. Even the LTS version was released buggy and came close to a Microsoft paradigm (never install a new version before the first service pack/point release). And with the short release cycle the developers have to concentrate on the next release rather than bugfixing released versions.
 
Old 05-16-2011, 03:04 PM   #9
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No, Debian has a different (not higher) definition of stable. In Debian stable means that there never will be newer versions of software in the stable release, only security fixes. That is what I meant when I was saying that Mint 10 is a stable release, it doesn't get higher software versions and will therefore not be prone to break as a rolling release is.
I would never recommend a rolling release distro to a newbie.

In regards to Ubuntu, IMHO a Ubuntu release can never be considered stable (as in bug-free), just because they rank their release date higher than any bug-counter. Even the LTS version was released buggy and came close to a Microsoft paradigm (never install a new version before the first service pack/point release). And with the short release cycle the developers have to concentrate on the next release rather than bugfixing released versions.
# Debian Stable Backports
# For information visit - http://backports.debian.org/
# Secure apt: apt-get install debian-backports-keyring
#deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free
That is for updates to newer versions of software.
 
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But after installing software from backports it is not considered a purely stable install anymore.
 
Old 05-16-2011, 03:52 PM   #11
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But after installing software from backports it is not considered a purely stable install anymore.
By whom and compared to what? Compared to, say an Ubuntu regular release it is by far more stable. Compared to an Ubuntu LTS if is somewhat more stable (this to some extent depends on the age of the LTS).

The Debian backports were put in (I think in Lenny) because much of the software goes through cycles that are far faster than Debians. They do not backport anything that is not stable for the project producing it or in testing.

This is not to be mistaken for "proposed updates". Those are not stable. Just about stable but not there yet.

Having used, side by side, Ubuntu and Debian I can tell you that you can have an OS that is just as up to date, much more stable and more nimble than Ubuntu (or mint). You will have to do some of the work that Ubuntu does for you but you have the advantage of not having the bloat that Ubuntu piles on top of Debian (or the extra bloat that Mint piles on top of Ubuntu).

Ubuntu and Mint will have slightly better boot times and slightly better font rendering. These things are too slight to matter anymore.

Getting boot times down is a fetish with Ubuntu and they have really screwed up the depends on many things not even obviously related to boot so that you really can't do many things that you should be able to do.

This is one of the reasons that we now have a LMDE version. It does not boot as fast as "regular" Mint. It runs faster and is quicker to lad whatever you are wanting to do.

All my boots are under a minute with password login. I will take that very happily in lew of desktop freeze ups when trying to push a little more power out of my cpus for, say, working on 15 .tiff images at once in Gimp. When you have to reboot it really doesn't matter how fast it is. It is just a waste of time.
 
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By whom and compared to what? Compared to, say an Ubuntu regular release it is by far more stable. Compared to an Ubuntu LTS if is somewhat more stable (this to some extent depends on the age of the LTS).
As I already have stated before, Debian uses the word stable in a different way. Stable mean that software versions don't change. Only security fixes are applied. If you change a software version, for example when installing software from backports, it is not Debian Stable anymore. No comparison to anything because it is not related to bugs.

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The Debian backports were put in (I think in Lenny) because much of the software goes through cycles that are far faster than Debians. They do not backport anything that is not stable for the project producing it or in testing.
That doesn't count for Debian. It doesn't matter if it is considered stable by the upstream developers, it is not part of Debian Stable when it was not released together with it.

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Having used, side by side, Ubuntu and Debian I can tell you that you can have an OS that is just as up to date, much more stable and more nimble than Ubuntu (or mint). You will have to do some of the work that Ubuntu does for you but you have the advantage of not having the bloat that Ubuntu piles on top of Debian (or the extra bloat that Mint piles on top of Ubuntu).
I know, I have used Debian before I changed to Slackware. Ubuntu was abandoned by my with the release of 10.04, to buggy for me.

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Ubuntu and Mint will have slightly better boot times and slightly better font rendering. These things are too slight to matter anymore.

Getting boot times down is a fetish with Ubuntu and they have really screwed up the depends on many things not even obviously related to boot so that you really can't do many things that you should be able to do.
I never have seen such a difference in the font renderings. Regarding boot time, my Debian Openbox setup booted from Grub to Slim in about 10 seconds on my laptop, my desktop was slightly slower. But I really don't care that much about boottime, I rarely boot.

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his is one of the reasons that we now have a LMDE version. It does not boot as fast as "regular" Mint. It runs faster and is quicker to lad whatever you are wanting to do.
They also have changed the XFCE Edition to a Debian base, and are thinking about the same with their KDE and LXDE versions.
 
Old 05-16-2011, 04:54 PM   #13
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But after installing software from backports it is not considered a purely stable install anymore.
That was true and still is to a certain extent, but at least now backports is an 'official' part of Debian.

At one time in the not distant past that statement was a part of the factoid on backports from the dpkg bot in #debian.

As for the OP get the first DVD or cd, install without internet, then get your connection working.
 
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Hello again TobiSGD and widget. TobiSGD: I said that as I had misunderstood what you had said but I really understood that you said an installer-DVD of Debian but I wanted to get the Live DVD if it was possible because of what you said that the DVD version doesn't need internet connection but the "Live CD" of Debian is actually in DVD format 1.09 GB and not 4.4 Gb like the installer-DVD. I prefer Live versions because it allows me to explore the system before installing it.
You both have been a great help for me today and I appreciate what you have said here, sharing your knowledge and making me be aware of a lot of stuff about the different distros that I didn't know.
And one more thing that I need to get rid of Windows finally is a good software that can convert from all of the video formats to all of the video formats and audio, for example: Input: Flv video (or any other video format). Output: mpeg, 3gp, avi, mp4 (phone format and for the computer), mkv, mp3, wav, wma,....others, I have Any Video Converterin Windows 7 and I can install that one using Wine here in linux but I can't open the program!
Thank you both for your help and for sharing.
 
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I do not know how often they do builds on the Live CD. It would give you a working system, in theory. I have one and it works great in the Live Session but I can not get a decent working install of of it. It is about 2 weeks old (do not remember exactly, there may be a new build.

My son has also had trouble with the installer there.

The old installer is the way to install the bugger. You could certainly try with the Live one but I think you will need the installer disk to get a good install.
 
  


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