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Old 09-27-2004, 11:23 AM   #16
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Kind of funny, macondo gave you all this in the very first reply, including even a link and the section number. The explicit instructions for how to mix the packages are given, and accompanied by this warning:
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IMPORTANT: the `unstable' version of Debian is the version to which the newest versions of Debian packages are uploaded first. This distribution sees all of the changes that packages go through, both small ones and more drastic ones which affect many packages or the whole system. For this reason, this version of the distribution should not be used by inexperienced users or by those who need proven stability.
So why was the rest of this thread necessary?

I know, I know, sometimes people just need the human interaction to feel better about it... But maybe you'll consider reading the APT-How-to.
 
Old 09-27-2004, 11:45 AM   #17
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I did look at the apt howto. and i seen how to mix, just didn't know if it was alright to mix
 
Old 09-27-2004, 12:37 PM   #18
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The how-to says it's alright to mix (otherwise why would it give instructions to), but "For this reason, this version of the distribution should not be used by inexperienced users or by those who need proven stability."

Hope everything works great for you. I might try mixing out once I get some experience.
 
Old 09-27-2004, 01:03 PM   #19
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I don't have any experience but i get certain programs that i like from unstable nothing just randomly really.
 
Old 09-27-2004, 01:09 PM   #20
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just upgrade to sid, been using it for quite some time now, no issues. besides when sarge goes stable (3.1 or whatever) then sid will become the testing branch. of course if your sources.list file says unstable (sid) you would have to change it to testing to stay in the same branch unless you want to continue to use the unstable branch....did i muddy that up enough

anyway, the only reason i can think of to not mix would be that if you install an app from sid (unstable) that doesnt work well with a library from sarge (testing) it could crash or cause other problems on your box. just be careful though, i dont think you can go backwards, i.e. if you change to sid you cant go back to sarge (at least i dont think you can)
 
Old 09-27-2004, 01:52 PM   #21
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I am debating on getting the sid cds, b/c i don't wanna download a alot of files, i got the sarge cds from linuxcdrs.com and haven't had any problems, they have sid on cds as well. the guy makes the cds from jigdo but i tried it and it didn't work right.
 
Old 09-27-2004, 02:03 PM   #22
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Originally posted by jsmarshall85
just upgrade to sid, been using it for quite some time now, no issues. besides when sarge goes stable (3.1 or whatever) then sid will become the testing branch. of course if your sources.list file says unstable (sid) you would have to change it to testing to stay in the same branch unless you want to continue to use the unstable branch....did i muddy that up enough
That is not the way it works SID is always SID when testing becomes the new stable then it is cloned off in its frozen state. Now once packages stay in SID for the required 10 days without problems then they will migrate to testing like they always do and you have the testing branch starting to become different from the new stable again.

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anyway, the only reason i can think of to not mix would be that if you install an app from sid (unstable) that doesnt work well with a library from sarge (testing) it could crash or cause other problems on your box. just be careful though, i dont think you can go backwards, i.e. if you change to sid you cant go back to sarge (at least i dont think you can)
It is not recommended but it can be done and would probably be pretty easy right now with the major packages that would cause problems like libc6 being in sync in both branches. Usually when you install packages from SID then any dependencies it needs will be in the unstable branch anyways and you will need to install them from there, sometimes I have even needed to get them from experimental/incoming.debian.org depending on how far along the package is in the process that you need.
 
Old 09-27-2004, 02:13 PM   #23
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Originally posted by nowens
I am debating on getting the sid cds, b/c i don't wanna download a alot of files, i got the sarge cds from linuxcdrs.com and haven't had any problems, they have sid on cds as well. the guy makes the cds from jigdo but i tried it and it didn't work right.
You are good as you are just get the newer packages you want from unstable. You end up the best of both worlds with testing you get packages that have already been around for awhile and the people using unstable have found no bugs in them yet plus the few packages that you want/need from unstable lessens the chances of running into said bugs. Once you have been using the packages from unstable for the 10 days and no bugs are found then they move to testing anyways. Although that is a little bit screwed up at the moment as a lot of packages in testing are frozen at their present versions in anticipation of testing being released as new stable, if they ever get around to it that is they are already past due on this latest deadline again.
 
Old 09-27-2004, 04:39 PM   #24
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Originally posted by HappyTux
That is not the way it works SID is always SID when testing becomes the new stable then it is cloned off in its frozen state. Now once packages stay in SID for the required 10 days without problems then they will migrate to testing like they always do and you have the testing branch starting to become different from the new stable again.
thanks for clarifying, but i think what i meant was that when sarge goes stable, dont all branches kind of move up? the sarge branch becomes stable, the sid branch becomes testing, and a new branch will become unstable, even though they keep their code names (sarge for testing and sid for unstable)?
 
Old 09-27-2004, 05:48 PM   #25
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thanks for clarifying, but i think what i meant was that when sarge goes stable, dont all branches kind of move up? the sarge branch becomes stable, the sid branch becomes testing, and a new branch will become unstable, even though they keep their code names (sarge for testing and sid for unstable)?
No SID can never become new testing all the packages in there would not have the required 10 days to move to a testing branch, there is no second "backup" unstable branch just sitting around ready to move into its place the frozen packages from testing simply branch off. The branch that will never change except for security updates becomes new stable code named Sarge and the branch that will be accepting new packages will still be known as testing when it happens and will be code named Etch, SID always stays with the same name as the unstable branch.
 
Old 09-28-2004, 02:55 AM   #26
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Originally posted by michapma
Kind of funny, macondo gave you all this in the very first reply, including even a link and the section number. The explicit instructions for how to mix the packages are given, and accompanied by this warning:


So why was the rest of this thread necessary?

I know, I know, sometimes people just need the human interaction to feel better about it... But maybe you'll consider reading the APT-How-to.
Yes, he did, but new users need some reassurance. God knows I did when I first started using Linux. Hell, I still need reassurance for some stuff...
 
  


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