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I do not let what he says offend me. I know I am not stupid even though he or others may think so.
Just because he cannot think of a reason or scenario where one would not have a need to use a password before issuing a command. His ability to rationalize then become faulty so his brain just short circuits. So his defense mechanisms kick because he is having a hard time showing true humility instead he uses deflection instead. If you know what it truly means when someone is deflecting to get the guilt off of them, in this case guilt for not knowing any reason why someone would not use a password, then projecting that part of their self image onto someone or something else instead of taking it on to him or herself.
By admitting to himself first then another I cannot make sense of this, then ask for clarification to get that confusion out of his brain. Instead he calls me and anyone else that would do this stupid.
look here his words give him away or a tree is known by its fruits.
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Originally Posted by Philip Lacroix
Running sudo with password disabled and from an ordinary user's account is dangerous and plain stupid. I humbly suggest to anyone reading this to follow the advice given above, except those from BW-userx. Stick to well-proven security practices, not to bad habits. Mentioning "free will" to justify ill-advised setups is irresponsible and makes no sense.
He cannot make sense of it so it confuses him. That is his justification, because it makes no sense to him.
this feeling of confusion is unwanted so what can he do? Admit that he is feeling a bit stupid for not being able to figure it out or blame it on someone else?
His ego cannot deal with the thought of it being stupid, so He takes the other path and deflects by projecting this feelings of being stupid onto someone or something else. In this case I am the recipient of his unwanted feelings.
He tells others to follow him. this is him seeking support in his actions to try and help him elevate this internal feeling of being stupid because it makes no scene to him. He is seeing conflict due to a contradiction from what he not only learned to be a truth but has accepted it as a rock hard solid truth that cannot by no means be deviated from and placed it into his belief system. Where it is stored with all of his other beliefs.
Where nothing but truths are to be stored, along with maybes, and I think so's. ie I think that is right. it maybe right. these too go into ones belief system. Where they are governed by open mindedness, and the actually (rock solid) truths are governed by closed mindedness.
If one is closed mined about a maybe, or I think so then their thinking becomes faulty because that to governs their thoughts which governs their actions. Turning ones that do this into a faulty or dishonest judge. The opposite effect happens when an actual truth(s) is used. Turning one onto a righteous judge. Causes and effects.
He looks for followers in this matter so he can feel right in what he is doing. So he can be righteous in his own eyes. Because the more that agree with him the more he is right and the other is wrong. If this is allowed to feed ones pride. True humility goes out the door. Ones ego gets all puffed up and they get full of themselves.
to cut is short, he is the one that feels stupid not me.
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Originally Posted by pan64
What you really missed here: crackers, viruses, hackers and other similar "things" will not play your scenario, but will force you to play based their own rules.
So you need to prepare to protect yourself against them, which actually may mean some inconvenience, like do not allow:
This is something like an open door, and means you allow anyone to come in, and do what they want
Missed the malicious ones. How to protect myself in this evil world I live in?
I do not keep personal information on here. what can they actually do to harm my laptop. Nothing that cannot be repaired if such a thing where to ever happen. I am not worried about it. Why cause myself anxiety? Passwords are not something that is a hard core YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONE or the password police will come and take you away, or the bad guys are going to get you. that is needless fear.
I continue to stand by that, and showing someone else they to have an option is not a sin or bad thinking or advice. They have their own brains, let them use them to their fullest potential. They have freewill let them use it.
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Originally Posted by Jjanel
I have a 'basic' question here: 2 scenarios: assume the one where ip addr is 192.168.1.2 or 10...
Nothing 'outside' can connect into it (RFC1918), I'm thinking. Is that true? Then, no passwords needed.
I don't understand the question.
If a machine isn't connected to the internet and never gets any programs from anywhere then the password is only needed to protect the super user from themselves making mistakes.
If somebody is connecting to the internet and downloading data from the internet then they are vulnerable to bad data they get from the internet.
The various LAN addresses used or not used are irrelevant.
I don't understand the question.
If a machine isn't connected to the internet and never gets any programs from anywhere then the password is only needed to protect the super user from themselves making mistakes.
If somebody is connecting to the internet and downloading data from the internet then they are vulnerable to bad data they get from the internet.
The various LAN addresses used or not used are irrelevant.
Please explain to me how you believe that having a password prevents mistakes?
as far as downloading or being connected the world outside via IP address. If someone knows how to get in they will password or not. They have programs especially for breaking passwords.
so now you're calling me stupid. Thank you for that insult.
To be fair, he referred to the action, not yourself as stupid.
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how does one having no password in an ordinary user's account dangerous?
having a password does not prevent a wrong command to be entered into the CLI.
Having a password does not prevent that user from making a typo in the CLI.
You are correct in that respect, that the password itself does not prevent the mistakes. Requiring a password when using sudo, however, does give the user the opportunity to rethink what they're about to do. In many cases this is enough in itself to prevent disaster. If they continue at that point, they do so at their own peril.
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Originally Posted by BW-userx
Ok but will it be correct without guidance?
My mind says it cannot by any means prevent me from making a mistake by the next thing I type into the CLI, be it a typo or the wrong command.
Perhaps read the post after yours.
Again, YOU may not derive any benefit from a password being required and YOU may be fine with operating a system with passwordless root access. That's fine. Myself and others have now posted some warnings about this which people can read and judge for themselves. Now all is well with the world.
To be fair, he referred to the action, not yourself as stupid.
You are correct in that respect, that the password itself does not prevent the mistakes. Requiring a password when using sudo, however, does give the user the opportunity to rethink what they're about to do. In many cases this is enough in itself to prevent disaster. If they continue at that point, they do so at their own peril.
oh nic picking huh? lets take a look how that action relates to me then and anyone that preforms said action. anyone that uses no password is stupid. because using no password is stupid they are attached to each other.
Perhaps read the post after yours.
Again, YOU may not derive any benefit from a password being required and YOU may be fine with operating a system with passwordless root access. That's fine. Myself and others have now posted some warnings about this which people can read and judge for themselves. Now all is well with the world.
what I said here has nothing to do with is it safer to use a password or not. These are two separate things here.
It is about just the act of using a password itself will or will not prevent one from making a mistake afterwords.Not is using a password will prevent others from using ones user name to access the system to do damage to it.
Just because someone does one thing does not prevent them from making a mistake when they do something else.
Issuing a command or typo just by the fact that someone entered their password prior to that does not stop that same person from running the wrong command or hitting the wrong key on the keyboard. think about it.
do you need an example?
these are two different things about password usage being talked about in this post.
To be fair, he referred to the action, not yourself as stupid.
You are correct in that respect, that the password itself does not prevent the mistakes. Requiring a password when using sudo, however, does give the user the opportunity to rethink what they're about to do. In many cases this is enough in itself to prevent disaster. If they continue at that point, they do so at their own peril.
rethink what they are about to do. Did i already comment on this one (post?)
I'm deeply impressed with your analysis, though not the way you might think. I believe that the content of my previous post was transparent enough, but I'm thankful to the fellow LQ members who had the patience to deal with you admirably on this thread.
Last edited by Philip Lacroix; 02-11-2017 at 11:54 AM.
I'm deeply impressed with your analysis, though not the way you might think. I believe that the content of my previous post was transparent enough, but I'm thankful to the fellow LQ members who had the patience to deal with you admirably on this one.
denial is the first line of defense. your remark afterwords too reviles your true personality. To me anyways.
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