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Old 01-18-2009, 08:07 AM   #1
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Frugal vs Debian-Style: A better understanding

I'm a little confused about these choices.
The way I read the 'getting started' it would seem they suggest DSL be installed frugal (if at all*) and that the 'debian-style' install won't be as good or fast.
I would prefer not to leave a cd in but would be willing if it means superior speed AND space available AND is the overall best options AND so long as I can install apps like normal.
I plan to use DSL as my main on this laptop. I do plan to try and dual boot SlackWare because I wanna get back into learning linux and it's the only other one I feel this lappie can run well.
What does this dualboot mean for my DSL install? Should I just set it all up, change the boot order in bios to FDD>HDD>CDR and just leave the DSL cd in?
I have the space so can I copy the CD to the hdd but set 'toram' still?
I also haven't seen ANY note as to how much RAM I should have to run DSL 'toram'.

*cuz its designed as a live-cd

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Old 01-18-2009, 09:51 AM   #2
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Great question. I too am curious what some experts have to say. I just started playing with DSL's "frugal" setup (though I have been using DSL for years) and it actually isn't that bad; but I wonder which way is better over the long haul on a low end laptop

I happen to be searching for various opinions as well -- and I have read the DSL Wiki, etc.

Here is a somewhat short but interesting blog post I found while googling (don't know the author and I am not connected to the site) that mentions this topic:

Anyway, looking forward to responses to your question.

Old 01-18-2009, 03:38 PM   #3
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Here's what I think I've figured out.
Frugal copies the disk to the hdd, but I can still set 'toram'.
Then I can copy/install everything to a usb drive/hdd/floppy and it will be there automatically everytime I restart. But if I do a frugal I cannot run some programs depending on how they were designed. Without the Debian install I may find that many programs that are not suited to be run with a live disc will be unavailable.
So if I plan to run DSL on this system all the time and I plan to install a bunch of things to it then my conclusion is the Debian install would be for me. I would use the frugal if I just wanted to add a few things.

Still, I wonder if there's a middle ground that makes use of copying the cd to a partition so I can run it 'toram' but still have the functionality of the Debian install.

I also noted somewhere I can set up ?certain distros? of linux to run remotely. I have a fairly quick machine lying around running XP as a print server, but I could probably set up linux to do that and then remote run from my DSL laptop. Has anyone seen a guide for this tho? I've been having trouble finding info on it, just finding people that suggest it or claim they do it.

thanks for the link 'linuxtester'
Old 01-27-2009, 06:32 PM   #4
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You could create a 64mb partition and do a frugal install there.

Then you could create a larger partition (they recommend at least 2gb) and do a full debian install there. I presume that you could save the mydsl folder and the backup.tar.gz file for your frugal install on the second partition. I believe you also need a third, swap partition (set at about 2 times your RAM) for the full Debian.

In your boot loader (I use grub) you'd have to create an option to boot from frugal and a second option to boot from the full Debian.

I have to ask though, if you're installing a full version of Debian anyway, why not forego using DSL and just install a full version of Debian? I do not see the benefit of using the "DSL" version of Debian when you could just use the regular Debian installer to do a minimal install on that second partition.

(Now, personally I only use the frugal install. The benefit being that if I ever screw something up royally, all I have to do it reboot without backing up and I get back to my previous state. I tend to screw things up royally with disturbing frequency. The other benefit is that I can always choose at boot-time to not load my settings and/or my MyDSL extensions, so I get the default DSL configuration. This is sometimes useful if the modifications I've made to my own setup are getting in the way of something I need to do with the computer. The third benefit is that when a new version of DSL comes out I simply replace the KNOPPIX file on my harddrive with the new one, and it doesn't make any changes to my saved settings.)

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