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Old 01-19-2020, 03:08 PM   #1
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Request for the future iso


Hereby a request to the developers for the upcoming Bodhi (6.0 or 5.1): would you perhaps want to consider removing web browser Midori from the iso and replacing it by Epiphany?

The problem with Midori is, that it's not in the official Ubuntu repo's anymore, which makes it difficult to keep it properly maintained. Epiphany (epiphany-browser) on the other hand, is still present in the Universe repo and appears to be updated from time to time by the MOTU's.

I understand the need for a very lightweight default web browser in Bodhi, but as a properly maintained web browser is crucially important for security, Epiphany (epiphany-browser) looks like a better alternative for putting into the iso....

Of course most Bodhi users probably install full-fledged web browsers like Firefox, Chromium or Chrome anyway, but what's in the iso by default, matters as well.

Please let me know what you think.

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Old 01-20-2020, 05:37 AM   #2
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Hereby a request to the developers for the upcoming Bodhi (6.0 or 5.1): would you perhaps want to consider removing web browser Midori from the iso and replacing it by Epiphany?
Thanks for the suggestion. I have considered using another browser due to the inadequacies of Midori. I am however undecided.

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The problem with Midori is, that it's not in the official Ubuntu repo's anymore, which makes it difficult to keep it properly maintained. Epiphany (epiphany-browser) on the other hand, is still present in the Universe repo and appears to be updated from time to time by the MOTU's.

I understand the need for a very lightweight default web browser in Bodhi, but as a properly maintained web browser is crucially important for security, Epiphany (epiphany-browser) looks like a better alternative for putting into the iso....
For the record, there is a new version of midori in our testing repo and there is still some development on midori. I had considered using this newer version in our next release. But several things are not yet implemented in it, like proper support for bookmarks.

Also for the record there is hardly any effort in packaging Midori for Bodhi at this point for me. For example to update the package in our testing repo takes maybe 10 minutes at most of my time. And most of that time is waiting for it to compile.

As to security, I am not hardly a security expert nor do I go around looking for bugs in programs to exploit. But it would seem to me that the major source of security flaws of either browser is in the use of WebKit stuff which they both use. But again, while I do read some about IT security and try to keep up to date with some things, it is not a major interest of mine and I have spent no time researching the potential security flaws of either browser. I use FF and Chrome and pay more attention to security issues found in those two.

Now use of Webkit is common enough that people will and have exploited security flaws in it. But neither midori nor epiphany are particularly commonly used browsers. So conceivable security flaws not webkit related in either browser are much more unlikely to be actively exploited.

OK with all this said, I will take another look at epiphany as it has been 5 or more years since I even installed it or used it any. So if you use it, does it work ok on the sites you visit? Any random crashes or freezing up for no reason? Any sites it works on that midori (the newest version) fails on?
 
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Old 01-20-2020, 06:50 AM   #3
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I will take another look at epiphany as it has been 5 or more years since I even installed it or used it any. So if you use it, does it work ok on the sites you visit? Any random crashes or freezing up for no reason? Any sites it works on that midori (the newest version) fails on?
Epiphany appears to work well enough, although it's of course maddeningly annoying that the Gnome devs have dumbed it down so much that it's practically unconfigurable (and for God's sake why have they made it to call itself "Web" in the bloody menu instead of "Epiphany Web Browser"?).

I'm not a fan of Epiphany as such (Firefox, Chromium and Chrome all the way for me), but I'm concerned about the current default browser probably being unpatched for security holes....

My thought was, that a default browser that's being maintained upstream (in the case of Epiphany, by its being in the Universe repo) would take some load off the Bodhi dev team. But if packaging an up to date version of Midori is only a small effort for you: please forget what I said and just keep those updates coming!

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Old 01-20-2020, 06:01 PM   #4
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I had been thinking about replace Midori for some time actually. And Midori has one other issue you may not know about: it compiles but doesn't work on Ubuntu 19.10 and presumably the same will hold for the upcoming release 20.04. When you try to run it it gives the dreaded undefined symbol error which usually signifies that the API has changed in a needed library. Now such a thing is usually a trivial matter to fix, after a few minutes to hours of research. But I never filed an issue with midori on it. I like to fully research issues before I file them, verify it is actually an issue and if possible give information on how to fix it or a patch. Haven't did that with Midori and actually Midori is coded in a language I have never used. That doesn't always stop me from understanding and patching the error but for now all I am doing is noting it and going on with more urgent to me and Bodhi tasks. Hopefully anyway it will resolve itself without my involvement.
 
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