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Old 08-04-2018, 12:25 PM   #1
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How to upgrade via terminology?


How do I use Terminology to upgrade from 3.2.1 to newer distro?

Very new user here, this is my second day using Linux and I've had a nightmare ride so far.

I have a very old XP system that I'm learning on. 1.5 GB ram 1250 Athlon ??? processor.

I got Bodhi installed yesterday, but had to do the old 3.2.1 disto as I only have CDROM and the Bios won't boot from USB. I tried Macpup, which wouldn't load because not enough ram, Puppy which would install into ram but not instal onto my hard drive for some reason, then Bodhi, which has installed but:

Midori crashes every time I open it so I can't upgrade that way.

I feel so stupid and overwhelmed right now. Help please!
 
Old 08-04-2018, 01:09 PM   #2
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google search, Bodhi linux upgrade system commands, (or) Bodhi linux how to upgrade system, (or), Bodhi linux how to update and install programs , etc...

https://www.bodhilinux.com/w/keeping...ux-up-to-date/
 
Old 08-04-2018, 01:27 PM   #3
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Thank you for response.

I did this before I came here to ask. That is how I found this forum, from that page.

I get 0 upgraded. 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded when i do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.
 
Old 08-04-2018, 01:31 PM   #4
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Your best bet for upgrading is to use the apt package manager. Bodhi is very unusual in allowing installation via its browser; the normal way of updating in Linux is via package managers. Since Bodhi belongs to the Debian family, it uses apt. There's a graphical interface to apt called synaptic, which you should find in your desktop menu.

Start by updating midori. Click on the update button to synchronise with the current repository, then find midori under the world wide web section and update it and see if it works any better.

You might also have a look at a distro called AntiX. It too belongs to the Debian family but it's specialised for running on old machines. AntiX Full won't fit on a CD but AntiX Base will and you can add big packages like libreoffice later.

Oops! You anticipated me. But did you do an apt-get update first? You always need to start with "update" before you do "upgrade" or apt won't see the later packages in the repository.

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Old 08-04-2018, 01:33 PM   #5
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Looks like it is based on Debian, so do an
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apt-get update
then run
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apt-get upgrade
& finally
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apt-get dist-upgrade
Hopefully that should keep things in order & get you the latest version.

EDIT: Posted at the same time as Hazel - I totally agree that the best distro would likely be my favourite one of choice.

Last edited by fatmac; 08-04-2018 at 01:36 PM.
 
Old 08-04-2018, 01:59 PM   #6
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pianopraze View Post
How do I use Terminology to upgrade from 3.2.1 to newer distro?

Very new user here, this is my second day using Linux and I've had a nightmare ride so far.

I have a very old XP system that I'm learning on. 1.5 GB ram 1250 Athlon ??? processor.

I got Bodhi installed yesterday, but had to do the old 3.2.1 disto as I only have CDROM and the Bios won't boot from USB. I tried Macpup, which wouldn't load because not enough ram, Puppy which would install into ram but not instal onto my hard drive for some reason, then Bodhi, which has installed but:

Midori crashes every time I open it so I can't upgrade that way.

I feel so stupid and overwhelmed right now. Help please!
Your first question was about a newer version of the distro. Bodhi does not support that possibility, we advice to do a clean install.
Not being able to boot from usb can be overcome by using something called PLOP that is capable to cheat your BIOS and that allows you to install from usb anyway.I never used it myself but know it does work. Maybe someone experienced will chime in and give you a lead. Anyway you can find more details searching the internet.

Midori crashes sometimes but should be stable enough for use in simple tasks and allow you to install software using the appcenter. If you want a better browser you can install chromium using terminology:
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sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
On a weak machine you should better not have more than one tab open as browsers use very much memory.

EDIT: do sudo apt-get update to refresh your package cache before you start installing or upgrading

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Old 08-04-2018, 02:07 PM   #7
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apt-get update says "reading package lists... done"

apt-get upgrade says "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, o to remove and o not upgraded"

apt-get dist-upgrade says "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded"

I do not see "synaptic" only eepdater which I've run several times and it says "Fully updated Your system is fully up to date!"

I also see "Bodhi AppCener (Install Software) which crashes every time saying Application Execution Error, Bodhi AppCenter stopped running unexpectedly. There was no error message"

I assume it is launching Midori because Midori instantly crashes every time and says the same thing except insert Midori for AppCenter.
 
Old 08-04-2018, 02:16 PM   #8
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i installed firefox and chromium "via sudo apt-get" and they both instantly crash like midori.

restarted a million times and never fixes, all browsers crash instantly.
 
Old 08-04-2018, 02:29 PM   #9
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Just out of curiosity, I googled your error message. I found two relevant articles in the official bodhilinux forum but couldn't get there. I kept being redirected back to the LQ Bodhi forum. It turns out that the entire site with all its posts and registers was deleted in June by Jeff Hoogland, because he was afraid of getting into trouble with the new European privacy laws (GDPR). What a pity!
 
Old 08-04-2018, 02:48 PM   #10
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So what I'm getting is I can not upgrade from one version of Bodhi (3.2.1) to another ( 4.x) in Bodhi?

I have to use plop and boot from USB and do a clean install of newer version of Bodhi?

Or get another distro like AntiX?

Is this the plop your talking about??? https://www.plop.at/en/bootmanagers.html

I'm not sure I understand the directions on there. I will go bang my head on it until I understand I guess.

Any other options very welcome.

Very humbling experience.
 
Old 08-04-2018, 03:21 PM   #11
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Many distros can be completely upgraded in situ. In fact that is the normal way of upgrading Debian. But Bodhi is run by a small development team and it seems they have decided not to support this. Actually you're not supposed to upgrade AntiX in situ either, but I have done it successfully when I had to upgrade a machine which, like yours, doesn't boot from usb. I investigated PLOP but decided that it seemed too complicated.
 
Old 08-04-2018, 03:32 PM   #12
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Just one little question to start with: Do you have a working internet connection while issuing these commands in terminology?

Since the day 3.2.1 got published there were many updates but seemingly apt is not aware of their existence. Is this on the machine you plan to use for Bodhi or are you using an other one.
 
Old 08-04-2018, 04:20 PM   #13
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Yes, internet is working well through terminology. I downloaded Nvidia drivers (then had to uninstall as they only would let me have 640x480.

It allowed updates via terminal.

It downloaded and installed both firefox and chromium via terminal.

So terminal is accessing the internet freely. Just all the browsers instantly crash on open.

I am typing on the forum here using my MacBook Pro. I use it to download the distros then burn the ISOs to CDROM.

The machine I'm using to explore linux is an old windows xp machine (Nvidia integrated geforce 4, 1.5 G ram, Athlon 1280mhz). I started with Macpup linux and it would not load, it got kernel panic error which is apparently because I only have 1.5G of ram. Then I ran Puppy linux and it would not instal to my hard drive, it would run fine booting from CDROM but not instal to hard disk. I was able to reformat the hard drive but it wouldn't instal saying OS was using the disk. That took entire last two days, now I'm on day 3.

Now I am trying Bodhi which installed easily. But 3.2.1 is only version that would fit on a CDROM so i burned it and was trying to update Bodhi to more modern versions.

I guess I'll try another distro (that PLOP thing is too confusing) - but I'm running out of CDROMS, lol.

I watched several youtube videos saying how easy linux was now-a-days and wanted to try it out. I'm not finding it too easy
 
Old 08-04-2018, 06:08 PM   #14
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Just installed AntiX based on user advice above.

It is already working much better than Bodhi on my system.

It installed easily.

Instantly fixed video issues .

Firefox Browser still not working but Dillo browser does (terminal is connected and downloading from internet) but I'm running updates now as fatmac listed above.

Thank you all.
 
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Use the firefox-esr that comes with AntiX, it uses alsa for sound, newer firefox uses pulseaudio.
 
  


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