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Old 02-27-2019, 02:57 PM   #1
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hey bodhi made it


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Old 03-03-2019, 01:01 PM   #2
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After years and years of using Enlightenment 16 and trying to switch to 17, I abandoned it (too many bugs in e17 + e16 not supported anymore in Gentoo) => switched to Xfce in 2018.
I doubt that Enlightenment will ever have a stable release => in my opinion Enlightenment will die
 
Old 03-03-2019, 01:46 PM   #3
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Hello there

Thanx for feedback Pearlseattle. Of course it was your own decision abandoning the E17 and I fully understand that. But Moksha in 2019 is no more e17. We ported hundreds of Enlightenment fixes to Moksha and added some new features E22 does not have. Maybe you could give us some details about bugs you saw in the past and we will tell you if the issue was fixed or not. Only this way we can make some progress to your liking.

...and if E will die in the future? Hard to say, maybe, maybe not. Time is the best judge Anyway you certainly know the E team is engaged in Tizen project by Samsung. There is no anticipation about EFL or E dying in the near future...

Stefan

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Old 03-03-2019, 03:07 PM   #4
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i have used bodhi since bodhi 3 on 3 laptops and 2 of them i depend on for persoanl use daily and the other office business stuff. i have never had an issue with stability. actually more stable than ubuntu and mint. i have an old macbook running debian 9.8 lxde because ram is an issue - and i was dying to see what debian was all about since many distros are using debian as a core. but 3 laptops run bodhi exclusively real-time and not virtual. ALL my files are on both!

plus 10 for stefan
 
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Old 03-03-2019, 04:18 PM   #5
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Wow, thanks a lot for the reply the_waiter!!! I'm impressed...

I just checked and my last installation of "E>=17" on Gentoo was done on 29.April.2018 (it shows as version "9999" which I think in Gentoo means that it was a direct "pull" from Subversion/Git/etc...).
I'm not sure exactly which E*-version it was at that time - quite sure E21.xx but no clue about the exact version.
So yes, that was the last version that I tried to use before deciding to switch to Xfce.

Sorry, just fyi, first of all, one of the things which (from my perspective) makes "Enlightenment" confusing for the endusers (therefore impacting as well SEO) is this:
in "Gentoo" the latest version of Enlightenment is 0.22.4, which belongs to the "branch" "0.17", which in turn implicitly refers to the "post 16-generation" => absolutely confusing as there is always a mixed line of articles mentioning "E17" (meant to refer to the post-E16 generation) even when referring to higher versions.
It's not a specific issue of Gentoo - I kept on hitting websites which talked about "E17" but I could not understand the version they were talking about.
Then, there is (as far as I know) no "stable" branch - every time I installed Exx it was a russian roulette - in my case usually almost none of the bugs I knew of got fixed, some new were added.

E.g. even if you now pushed upstream a ton of bugfixes, I won't know into which version they'll end up (I did read the release notes but as enduser it's difficult to understand if it's bugfix or not and if yes then what it affects from and enduser point of view) nor I will know if any new features will potentially add more unknown bugs (=> reconnects to what mentioned above). Bah - desperation


I did read loooong time ago that the E-team got sponsored by Samsung but I personally never felt any improvement of the stability of the product => I assumed that Samsung had its own roadmap and that the team was busy implementing those features.

About the bugs: it's a long time ago, but I do remember what made me switch.
Setup:
- at least 2 virtual desktops (accessible by hotkey e.g. "ctrl+1" and "ctrl+2") and 4 shells (tested with "xfce4-terminal", "lxterminal", "terminology") open on each of the 2 virtual desktops (the 4 shells splitting each desktop in a 2x2 grid).
- activated the "remember in which window I used to have the focus on the last 'switch-out' and restore it when switching back to the desktop" (don't remember how that setting was called).
Test - it was something like this:
write something into shell#1 on desktop#1 => switch by hotkey to desktop#2 => write something into shell#1 on desktop#2 => switch by hotkey back to desktop#1, switch to shell#2, write something => switch by hotkey to desktop#2 => write something => failure - nothing appears at all in ANY shell (not just the "desired" one) of desktop#2.

(btw. clicking explicitly&directly with the mouse cursor on-the-window-I-wanted-the-text-to-appear did not fix it; I usually had to first click on something not-focused and then only afterwards click on the "expected-window-to-be-focused")

Unluckily the bug almost never showed up just right after a fresh boot/start (e.g. had to do at least 5-10 switches between desktops) and I even manged to sometimes work for ~1hr or so before that it started showing up.
In general I think that the problem showed up a lot more frequently/faster when using "Terminology" as terminal.
For all tests I always used the embedded Intel GPUs.



This is what made me decide to switch desktop (which I admit is a pity, because Enlightenment has so many absolutely cool features and the new rendering engine is soooo smooth and all the options would make it absolutely "THE" desktop environment!!!!).
But before that I had more weird crashes/hangs/weird stuff happening, so this (the bug mentioned above) was just a kind of confirmation that the SW does not seem to have a stable foundation.

Cheers
 
Old 03-03-2019, 06:44 PM   #6
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i tired 17 and that was ouch! then i later found bodhi and took a bit to tweak for my needs but find it great. alsi tried e19 was i or e21? maybe and some stuff worked and some didnt='t and you had to know a lot more than i do to get stuff happening. there were modules missing and some were not developed or still devloping and after as you say a hit or miss for a wroking system bodhi just IS. i remeber i asked ylee about it because he was trying things too and stil does and is on top of all of this and he agreed at the time there were some issues. FWIW. give it a chance. if not then stay where you are. good luck
 
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Old 03-04-2019, 03:05 AM   #7
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Pearlseattle

Thanx for feedback again.
OK, I can see you are an advanced user which very fine to know. Yes, E is now in 22.4 version as far as I know but this is not the most important matter. Your E issues with stability in the past could spring from another source. It is EFL, a library which is the backend for E or Moksha. We had several serious issues with EFL in the past and as I mentioned many times on this forum, the worst situation was with Bodhi Linux 4 release. We used EFL in 1.18.4 version which was really very buggy and caused Moksha seq faults or freezes. We did not know it was the issue and unfortunatelly many PCs were affected for example in Mexico where our user Astroboy runs interesting edu project on thousands computers. Then a newer efl in version 1.19.1 was introduced and the trouble was gone. What I want to say these words is just we have to separate E/Moksha which is "just" a program written in EFL and standalone EFL in the background which is under heavy development and can cause troubles.

As far as your window focus hard time is concerned, let me have some time to simulate your screen setup and help you if possible.

Stefan

BTW: give the Bodhi a try in VM. It is based on EFL version 1.20.7 which I have no problems on many computers I run for family, friends and colleagues. But yes, I know (Ylee informed me) there could be some memory leaks but no bugs related to stabilily issues. There is a goal to have another EFL for next BL release but we need to test it properly. Moreover we are very small team these days and need to cover all service for our users...

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Old 03-04-2019, 12:41 PM   #8
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Thanks for the reply - very useful to know that you had problems with efl 1.18.4.

Well, you know how it is to switch distribution... - I will definitely not go away from Gentoo

You're right - I tried to use the original Enlightenment.

I see that in June 2018 I tried to compile & install Moksha from source (0.2.1) on Gentoo and if I remember correctly I think that I did not manage to do it because of some dependencies that I wasn't able to get/extract from Enlightenment (efl 1.18.1 - maybe it was a notification daemon - don't remember anymore), and after a while I gave up as I saw that Xfce gave me anyway the basic (simple) features that I wanted.
Maybe sometimes I'll try again with Moksha 0.3.x but right now I don't have the time... .

Cheers
 
Old 03-04-2019, 01:01 PM   #9
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NP

Enjoy Gentoo

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