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Old 03-09-2020, 04:00 PM   #16
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I think Inkscape (already on the list) has some basic photo editing as well so maybe that and Gimp could be a good combination. ...
Inkscape and Gimp is what I ended up going with. Inkscape always was there and is really more in my mind an SVG editor than a photo editor, but Gimp while complex perhaps can do about anything one might want to do with photo editing. I examined about all the well known 'simple' photo editors and really wasn't satisfied with any of them for reason or another. Some seemed to simple, a few drew in to many dependencies, esp the KDE type apps, and so on. I have nothing against qt or KDE apps, many are GREAT apps. But Bodhi even the app apck version doesn't need a lot of qt/KDE libraries installed by default. I am trying to keep that down some. At least close to what I think is close to the minimum. I do want qt apps to sorta try to match the QTK theme in use, so I do want some qt stuff installed even in a bare bones Bodhi install. As a user may latter install a qt app and be on our forum wanting help over the theme mismatch issues that can happen.


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"Lean and mean", whatever that really means, is all well and good. Having options is all well and good. I realize that dev resources may be slim for Bodhi, so if you were to eliminate the App Pack option, it probably would be just fine, as long as users have the options (i.e., Synaptic, apt) to add whatever they feel is needed for their computing platform....
Well building the AppPack ISO was sorta hard this time around because I made some changes to the packages installed and had to ensure the System Update tool I added worked the way I wanted, start at boot in the system tray and with a preset option to NOT update the kernel. I also tweaked a few other settings of other apps and so on. In theory next time around it will be less effort as I documented all steps involved for my own notes.

Abandoning the AppPack has been discussed but my point of view is this ISO accounts for about 18 to 20% of our downloads. Lets just say 1 out of 5 Bodhi users ot people merely checking Bodhi out. That is a small percentage but overall that may amount to a lot of users. In our old forum it was apparent that the AppPack users preferred to have sometime more closely resembling a full featured DE than what a bare bones Bodhi install gives. I like the bare bones Bodhi install because then I can make it what I want and not have to uninstall a bunch of stuff or look over ps -aux output and wonder why the Heck i have all these threads running i don't think I need or want. But regardless what I like and want out of a default install I just don't want to abandon and possibly lose those that expect an AppPack release.

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I "adjusted" my Bodhi installation via sudo apt install (lot of stuff) this past weekend. My old 2GB RAM Toshiba is just as snappy (or lack thereof!) as it was with the simple install. I realize that keeping that "snappiness" depends on me being wise with resource demands.

I do like what I see with Bodhi thus far!
Indeed pay attention to what gets installed and what processes end up running in the background. I have a 1 G netbook that runs bodhi like a champ. It is all in being careful what I install and paying attention to stuff ...

And thanks I am glad ya like Bodhi and the direction it is coming from and hopefully going to
 
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Old 03-09-2020, 06:31 PM   #17
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I appreciate the fact that it is small, without feeling like it's lacking or negatively compromised, like too many other lightweight distros..

As stated, my laptop is pretty low powered by today's standards, but Bodhi doesn't treat it like a red headed step-child. My desktop, while no speed demon runs Kubuntu 18.04.4 LTS very nicely with a 6th gen i5, 16GB RAM, one SSD and one HDD. But, I think that Bodhi would not be at all lost on that machine and could step out very nicely with all the apps and data.

I checked after putting the previously reported pile of apps on the laptop, and the / partition is a bit under 5GB. The desktop unit checks in with a / partition of about 11GB. So proportionally, the laptop has more, and if I ran Firefox, LibreOffice, Thunderbird, and a couple more big and active apps it could be hitting SWAP pretty hard. So I won't.

You've done a fine job!

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Old 03-09-2020, 10:10 PM   #18
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Current VLC media player can't play MP4 files , suggest to put another media player in the Software store.
manually install mp4 codec some times does not work.
 
Old 03-10-2020, 03:49 AM   #19
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Current VLC media player can't play MP4 files , suggest to put another media player in the Software store.
manually install mp4 codec some times does not work.
I have never had an issue with VLC playing mp4 files. Googling it I see there may be situations where it might have an issue with a certain mp4 files and suggestions on what you can do about it. So if you are having issues with it this is a support question and unrelated to this topic so please post on another thread. Likewise if you wish some specific media player be added to the software store also post another thread. For the record our AppCenter does have another media player, SMPlayer.
 
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Old 03-10-2020, 03:57 AM   #20
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I checked after putting the previously reported pile of apps on the laptop, and the / partition is a bit under 5GB. The desktop unit checks in with a / partition of about 11GB. So proportionally, the laptop has more, and if I ran Firefox, LibreOffice, Thunderbird, and a couple more big and active apps it could be hitting SWAP pretty hard. So I won't.

You've done a fine job!
I recommend at least 20G to install the AppPack ISO. For the record. As to memory usage running multiple memory hogging apps, that is par for the course. I currently have 5 instances of chrome open each with multiple tabs open as well as a Bodhi AppPack VM open and several other less 'heavy' apps open or running and am using 5G of memory. So on low memory machines you need to watch you are doing and if possible use less memory hogging applications.

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Old 03-10-2020, 08:53 AM   #21
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The laptop has a ~20GB / partition, and the desktop unit has a ~32GB / partition - plenty of room left on both! The laptop has a 500GB HDD, so there is room to slide partitions around, if needed.

EDIT: OOPS, I forgot to point out that there is a separate /home (about 320GB) on each. So lots of space!

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Old 03-10-2020, 11:03 AM   #22
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Cool

Here is my suggestions:

1) Add Snap

2) Replace chromum with Chrome.
The biggest difference between the two browsers is that, while Chrome is based on Chromium, Google also adds a number of proprietary features to Chrome like automatic updates and support for additional video formats.

3) Add more language support, e.g. Current the process to enable Chinese module is a little bit complicated. I did it only under expert's guide.
Make it easy will be very helpful.

4) Make OS upgrade possible rather than reinstall the OS, it is a big has·sle to reinstall the OS .

5) Drop LibreOffice,Inkscape ,xfburn,
OpenShot Video Editor,
Pinta Graphics Tool,pidgin,
user can install them if need.

The most beautiful part of Bodhi Linux is "it is " a lightweight Linux distribution ... The philosophy for the distribution is to provide a minimal base system so that users can populate it with the software they want".
 
Old 03-10-2020, 11:47 AM   #23
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Here is my suggestions:

1) Add Snap

2) Replace chromum with Chrome.
The biggest difference between the two browsers is that, while Chrome is based on Chromium, Google also adds a number of proprietary features to Chrome like automatic updates and support for additional video formats.

3) Add more language support, e.g. Current the process to enable Chinese module is a little bit complicated. I did it only under expert's guide.
Make it easy will be very helpful.

4) Make OS upgrade possible rather than reinstall the OS, it is a big has·sle to reinstall the OS .

5) Drop LibreOffice,Inkscape ,xfburn,
OpenShot Video Editor,
Pinta Graphics Tool,pidgin,
user can install them if need.

The most beautiful part of Bodhi Linux is "it is " a lightweight Linux distribution ... The philosophy for the distribution is to provide a minimal base system so that users can populate it with the software they want".
Agree with some of this. Please stay away from snap. Better language support will be helpful in getting a wider audience. As for 5), as long as there is access to the *buntu repos, installing other apps via sudo apt <some app package> is easy. And as long as you have the larger app package available as an option for those of us who are not so "minimalist", it's good
 
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Old 03-10-2020, 01:01 PM   #24
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Talking

Why I proclaim Snaps rather than apt-get? I sometimes experienced the problems
running the command "apt-get install DEBPackage.deb", complained sth... ( e.g. libraries) are missing
with error "Installation Aborted".

So far, I never experienced the problems using snaps, I think maybe
snaps contains all the elements required to install an application.
 
Old 03-10-2020, 01:24 PM   #25
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Yes, snaps do have everything. It's an approach to packaging that most people refer to as "containerization" - a container with everything. Snaps usually install to some place other than the normal bin or sbin locations. Sometimes to /home, sometimes to /opt, or wherever the developer wants it.

It's a chaotic system, and takes up more space than .deb, for instance. Everything gets duplicated over and over again because the dev does not have to respect applications, libraries, kernel objects, device drivers that already exist. The dev does not have to respect his/her own previous container location, so an update might just leave an older container on disk when you don't want it, or overwrite a container if you need two versions of the same application. I hate the concept. and the implementation.
 
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Old 03-10-2020, 06:08 PM   #26
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I agree Snappy may have some issues,but I still suggest to make Snap available as an option, users can select which method
to use:
the reasons are as follows:

1) It is easy to use, normally can run successfully, not like "apt-get install" sometimes get error "Installation Aborted".

2) More simple and straightforward,
e.g. to install opera browser,
Just run " snap install opera"

But to install Brave Browser, need to run the following:
sudo apt install apt-transport-https curl

curl -s https://brave-browser-apt-release.s3...brave-core.asc | sudo apt-key --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/brave-browser-release.gpg add -

echo "deb [arch=amd64] https://brave-browser-apt-release.s3.brave.com/ stable main" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/brave-browser-release.list

sudo apt update

sudo apt install brave-browser"

3) "Snappy is a software deployment and package management system developed by Canonical for the Linux operating system",
There is a company behind it, I believe they will improve the Snappy to fix the issues.
 
Old 03-10-2020, 08:06 PM   #27
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Installing random .deb files with apt is going to be a problem, unless you get lucky. The repos have all the dependencies resolved, the .deb files outside the repos very likely don't; you have to look very closely at how they describe what distro and version the .deb file is intended for.
 
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Old 03-10-2020, 08:15 PM   #28
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I know Canonical is pushing snap as a way to make it easier for devs to get products out to the user. But, that doesn't mean that snap deployment will resolve any more problems than it might cause. I'm looking very closely at what they are doing with the repos and apt.

Some early Kubuntu 20.04 users/testers are reporting that products are showing up in Synaptic as if it were an apt .deb package, when in fact it may be a snap. When Kubuntu 20.04 LTS comes out for my desktop unit, the very first thing I will do is remove snapd and any other snap tools, and then see how the repos work after that.

Maybe someday they will make snap into a rational and not chaotic approach, but when they do that it may as well be apt with .deb packages.
 
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Old 03-11-2020, 09:47 AM   #29
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The main advantage of Bodhi is how light it is with system resources. If the computer is getting older, or if it has a slow processor or too little RAM, Bodhi is the savoir.

1) One of the few downsides to Bodhi is that it doesn’t support the do-release-upgrade command. If you want to upgrade to a new release, you have to do a clean install. This is really has·​sle. (:


2)Given the fervor for minimalizing software to avoid application bloat, more emphasis should be placed on providing meaningful software store. Who will rise to this task ? app-get, snap, The AppCenter , which one Bodhi will adopt and proclaim ? I am confused on this part.

3)The "Module" concept in Bodhi is very new for me, I have not heard it in other OS.
need time to get used to it. esp. "A gadget is the visible instance of a module, and for a gadget to be available its module must first be loaded."
This method is weird , I don't vote for it.


Overall, I’ve really enjoyed using Bodhi Linux more than most other Linux distributions, and I strongly recommend it to anyone who wants a beautiful, lightweight operating system.
 
Old 03-11-2020, 10:33 AM   #30
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1. Bodhi Linux is based on Ubuntu. Correct me if I am wrong but I do not know any *buntu rolling release distribution. But I know Debian, Arch etc.

2. Not sure about snap concept. I read many cons like too slow, insecure etc. Very controvert topic. Anyway it reminds me exe file from Windows world and it sounds as nothing good to me.

3. E17/Moksha is defined as modular desktop which means based on modules. Gadgets vs modules are odd some way. I must agree with you on this. Unfortunately we could do little about this. It was annoying when I started using Bodhi in the past but after a while it became natural. Easy to live with.

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