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Old 05-11-2021, 04:25 PM   #1
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Thumbs up Bodhi Linux 32 bit based on Debian


32 bit based on Debian I am really looking forward to using it thanks!
 
Old 07-11-2021, 11:21 AM   #2
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Me too. I've been using moksha under debian bullseye on my 32-bit machine but its not quite bodhi, one thing in particular is that I can't install moksha modules from bodhi repos into my setup! I see debian shared a second bullseye release candidate a week or so ago and it's final package freeze is scheduled for next Saturday, so I think they're getting very close to their stable release, so hopefully we get some kind of test Bodhi version based on it soon, cuz I think it would be cool to be able to release stable bodhi 6 32-bit the same time as debian 11

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Old 07-11-2021, 01:39 PM   #3
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Debian 11 is expected to be released between July 2021 – September 2021.

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Old 07-11-2021, 02:30 PM   #4
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The 32-bit version of BL6 will be based upon Buster (Debian 10) because of the needs of Escuelas Linux.
 
Old 07-11-2021, 07:51 PM   #5
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The 32-bit version of BL6 will be based upon Buster (Debian 10) because of the needs of Escuelas Linux.
The main reason we need new version of Bodhi legacy version is for updated software. If someone wants to use old stuff, there's already Bodhi 5.1 and it's still supported. There is no point at all to a bodhi on buster release now. The reason a debian base was considered now for 32-bit is because ubuntu stopped supporting 32-bit in current versions, but debian is still supporting it. Bodhi on buster may have had value 2 years ago, but bionic was chosen instead, no point at all making it now.

What needs does Escuelas Linux have that could possibly prevent Bodhi from releasing a debian 11 based version?

Or phrased another way, what could they possibly do with buster they can't do with bionic? It seems like that would be a complete waste of your time to work on that, unless you already have it ready from couple years ago or something, or you're planning on releasing the bullseye version shortly thereafter and you think doing buster first would be somehow make that easier. Otherwise it seems to me it would be a complete waste of your time and theirs to make release versions of Bodhi and Escuelas based on debian 10, why would anyone even want to use that now over the already existing bionic based versions?

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Old 07-11-2021, 08:02 PM   #6
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Debian 11 can be released at anytime now no official release date
True, but the dates I posted (for their RC2 and package freeze) are official, so they won't release today/now, as they just announced the final package freeze isnt until next Saturday, and I assume they will want a little time to double check everything and prep their isos/etc after that, the earliest possible would be next Sunday or something but that's crazy unlikely, earliest likely would be 2-4 weeks.

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Old 07-12-2021, 10:23 AM   #7
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Debian 10 is getting closer to end of life while Debian 11 is getting closer to being released this summer 2021. I agree Debian 11 will bring the newest software versions while Debian 10 would be the same as Ubuntu 18.04.

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Old 07-12-2021, 11:31 AM   #8
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The main reason we need new version of Bodhi legacy version is for updated software. If someone wants to use old stuff, there's already Bodhi 5.1 and it's still supported. There is no point at all to a bodhi on buster release now....
As already said Escuelas Linux wants BL6.0 on Buster for now. Considering the large user base of Escuelas Linux and the high percentage of 32-bit machines that the distro is installed on, that in and of itself is the point.

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What needs does Escuelas Linux have that could possibly prevent Bodhi from releasing a Debian 11 based version?
Apparently software availability and stability. Alejandro Díaz took a look at the software needs of Escuelas Linux and the packages and PPAs available for Buster vs Bullseye and he suggested a release on Buster based on his needs. Also, consider the Bullseye release is still in a "testing state" and that security updates for the testing distribution are not yet managed by the Debian security team.

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Or phrased another way, what could they possibly do with buster they can't do with bionic?
You would have to ask him that, all I know about his needs is what he expects out of the script to build the ISO and the installer.

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It seems like that would be a complete waste of your time to work on that, unless you already have it ready from couple years ago or something, or you're planning on releasing the bullseye version shortly thereafter and you think doing buster first would somehow make that easier. Otherwise it seems to me it would be a complete waste of your time and theirs to make release versions of Bodhi and Escuelas based on Debian 10, why would anyone even want to use that now over the already existing bionic based versions?
Actually, by the time Alejandro Díaz told me that I already had a working Bullseye version of Bodhi 6.0. All except for a Debian installer and setting up a repo for the needed deb files. I had to redo the work on Buster and now have a gtk installer working on the Buster version. To redo on Bullseye and make a Bullseye-based 32-bit release would not require a whole lot, except I wish to redo and test the installer using python3 (it is currently py2).

As soon as Bullseye is officially out of testing, I hope to be able to promptly release a Bodhi 32 release with Bullseye as a base. As far as using BL6 with a Buster base on 32-bit machines that is up to you, those of you that need a 32-bit release.
 
Old 07-13-2021, 06:23 PM   #9
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I have been thinking about this and I will talk it over with Alejandro Díaz again and see what he needs and perhaps help him package it if needed. I also took a look at my VM with Bullseye that has already been mostly Bodhized and it doesn't look like much work to finish it.
 
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Old 07-21-2021, 04:49 PM   #10
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As soon as Bullseye is officially out of testing, I hope to be able to promptly release a Bodhi 32 release with Bullseye as a base.
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I also took a look at my VM with Bullseye that has already been mostly Bodhized and it doesn't look like much work to finish it.
According to IRC/oftc, thats still weeks away, but I will continue to look forward to it, or be happy to test an early release....https://i.imgur.com/itNxhz4.png
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Tentative release date: 2021-08-14... Bullseye is Debian turned up to 11!
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I have been thinking about this and I will talk it over with Alejandro Díaz again and see what he needs and perhaps help him package it if needed.
I am quite curious (and love to argue). I really do wonder why he would want a buster version of bodhi (when we already have bionic) and not want a bullseye version. I imagine most bodhi legacy users (including myself) who want to update would be doing it for newer versions of applications - not for better stability; bodhi 5.1 w/bionic is super stable - and not for newer/updated Moksha, since that's still being kept current for bodhi 5.1. Maybe it's for updated hardware support - some webcam/wifi stick/etc not built in to legacy's old kernel, but that seems unlikely, and the 5.4 hwe kernel available for legacy anyway so unlikely that *unless* they dunno that its available and easy to install.... And even buster is 4.19, which is what I think bodhi 6.0 legacy should use even with bullseye repository... unless they still use floppy disk a lot, then reason for 5.4 if their gpu can deal with it...

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Old 08-06-2021, 11:21 AM   #11
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https://lists.debian.org/debian-deve.../msg00003.html

Looks like Debian 11 scheduled for release 14 August.
 
Old 08-06-2021, 11:52 AM   #12
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Thank you for the news as I look forward to its release.
 
Old 08-14-2021, 08:22 PM   #13
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Debian 11 released today.
 
Old 01-08-2023, 04:37 PM   #14
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Unhappy Update: Just installed 32-bit and needed to add modeule for multiusers and groups

Installed 32-bit Bodhi legacy v5.1.0 since 6.0 not avail for 32-bit yet (installed Dec2022). Installed on system that ran ubuntustudio18.04, Dell 17"laptop w/Legacy BIOS and no UEFI so can't run v6 based on 20.04 release. v5.1.0 would not create multiple users/groups. Installed gnome-system-tools via the Synaptic Package Manager so far no add'l modules required. Now capable of adding multiple users/groups. Too bad, really liked Studio for photo and video editing. Good machine will be sorry to see it go when nothing installs on 32-bit w/legacy BIOS.
 
Old 01-08-2023, 05:36 PM   #15
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The 32-bit Bodhi 6.0 based on Debian 11 never made it out of beta. I've been running that beta for more than a year now...

The 32-bit Bodhi 5.1 (based on Ubuntu 18.04) is still supported, but won't be for much longer.

Bodhi 7 is coming soon (before April 2023), at which time support for Bodhi 5.x ends. My understanding is that the 32-bit bodhi 6.0 beta is going to end up being released as Bodhi 7.0, but there has not yet been a second beta (or RC) to test yet. Not sure if Debian version will be bumped to 12 or not tho. There are alpha releases for 64-bit Bodhi 7 and things coming along nicely.

You won't be able to upgrade from 5.x to 6.x/7.x tho, it'll require a reinstall.

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