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Old 03-05-2020, 09:24 AM   #16
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It's great. Minimalist is just regarding software installation and ease of use. Installs quickly. I love it. If you think it looks too minimalist then changing the wallpaper makes it look like everything else lol. You can just add what you want. It is fast - one of my main likes. And works on just about every laptop and PC there is without issue - one of my other main likes.
 
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Old 03-05-2020, 10:05 AM   #17
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I know how to change and add other desktops apps la la la. the gcc needed to get needed software drivers into a system that requires a WORKING network connection to do so. it is putting a catch 22 in the system that need not be there. period.
 
Old 03-05-2020, 10:35 AM   #18
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I feel this thread will be closed soon by one of the moderators gcc stuff opened again
 
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Old 03-05-2020, 11:47 AM   #19
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I was just asking the source "Bodhi Developer" poster of this, then pointing it out to someone who fails to see this, and that is the end of it with me. it is not like this distro is the only one I've found with this catch 22. good day.
 
Old 03-05-2020, 12:06 PM   #20
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Good day
 
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Old 03-06-2020, 04:15 AM   #21
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Perhaps a somewhat unusual idea: it might be handy to add these excellent graphical update tools to the "fat" App Pack iso:
https://launchpad.net/~gm10/+archive...inuxmint-tools

It's what I use in my (otherwise "mean and lean") Bodhi.... They work fine.

Screenshots of what to expect when installed in Ubuntu:
https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspo...buntuplus.html

In order to make Update Manager show a permanent icon in the system tray: launch Update Manager - panel: Edit - Preferences
Enable the following option:
Use AppIndicator for the tray icon (more limited but supports more desktops)

Then add it to the Startup Applications.
I agree with the basic idea. It would be nice to include a full featured update tool that works and is non-problematic. eepDater was a nice idea but development stopped more or less once Jeff realized the difficulty of embedding a terminal in an EFL application. He once asked the EFL developers to add such a 'widget', an embedded eterm or perhaps terminology to EFl, but none of them seemed to take any interest in such a widget.

mintupdate would be a good replacement for eepDater with the added feature of handling kernel updates. It needs timeshift to be fully functional as well as a small number of additional mint packages. It doesn't seem to be packaged well as it has dependencies not specified in the control file. But I myself have been guilty of that sin as are some of Ubuntu's deb files. One of my goals is to ensure all Bodhi deb files have no lintian errors as well as pull in all needed dependencies when installed in a clean chroot. I am not there yet and rebuild the deb files only as needed and may or may not take the time to ensure they are lintian error free or cleanly install in a chroot.

I have already looked at mintupdate and what would be required to add to either our app pack or our repos. To make safe as in not forcing kernel updates it would have to preconfigured for new users on the ISO. Sadly it uses the dconf/GSettings stuff for its settings. (For the record as does Epiphany). I don't like that but it is no worse than moksha/enlightenment/EFL using the eet stuff for their configurations. I can deal with that.

For use with Bodhi there is no need to set Use AppIndicator as suggested in your blog and comment here. Works fine without it. To add it to startup on the ISO requires changing moksha code a bit as a moksha module called Wizard sets moksha settings for a users first boot. These setings can't be set by adding stuff to /etc/skel/. Sadly. Maybe one day I will look into modifying Moksha to enable one to use the skel files and stop e wizard from overwriting them. It would prob make my life easier.


Currently working on getting my VM ready for building the app pack ISO so I will see what I can do. Adding mintupdate in addition to all the other changes I am making will undoubtedly make the ISO size larger. I don't see that as a problem tho.

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Old 03-06-2020, 11:41 AM   #22
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When I first started using Bodhi there was no eepdater or any updater. Just the terminal. It got me using the terminal. I’d be quite happy without an updater. I was completely new to Linux but just followed the instructions on the Bodhi page for updating via the terminal. If it’s going to add extra complication then maybe it’s not needed.

I hated the eepdater! And carried on using the terminal. In particular hated the neon blue line whizzing horizontally and making my eyes go funny!

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Old 03-06-2020, 05:53 PM   #23
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Perhaps a somewhat unusual idea: it might be handy to add these excellent graphical update tools to the "fat" App Pack iso:
https://launchpad.net/~gm10/+archive...inuxmint-tools

It's what I use in my (otherwise "mean and lean") Bodhi.... They work fine.
...
Mintupdate is now in the BL 5.x Testing repo.

I removed the dependency on mint-release-upgrade to avoid having to add yet another package to the repo as it seems unneeded by the mintupdate application and glancing over the code will not on Bodhi anyway (without installing yet more mint packages). And if you were foolish enough to install the needed mint packages would in all likelihood seriously bork your Bodhi install. I also added a lintian override to suppress a rather scary looking lintian warning. I did not check the other packages needed for lintian errors or warnings. Maybe latter but it all seems to install. Only briefly tested but it appears to work.
 
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Old 03-07-2020, 06:03 AM   #24
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A remark: after booting the 5.1 RC into the live session, the install feature (ubiquity) is more or less "hidden" in menu - Applications - Preferences. It would be nice to have a more prominent position for ubiquity in the live session, like a dedicated shortcut on the desktop.

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Old 03-07-2020, 09:05 AM   #25
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I just recently installed Bodhi 5.0 on my old Toshiba laptop. A nice, simple and familiar *buntu-like install procedure and it left a simple installation on that platform - a blank sheet if you will.

So, since the Toshiba is a playground rather than an operational environment, I set out to fill in some of the blanks. Using apt, in a terminal. It's what I love about apt; you can enter
Quote:
sudo apt install xyz
and it will bring in everything that xyz needs. You don't even have to know what xyz needs.

So now my Bodhi still looks like Bodhi, but has all the (32 bit) tools and apps that my (64 bit) Kubuntu desktop has including wireless printing with the HP printer, T-bird with Lightning, Libreoffice, Firefox, Synaptic, Clementine, and some others. And the old laptop just works well.

Great job! I'll be moving with Bodhi to its next point release.
 
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Old 03-07-2020, 09:21 AM   #26
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Have you tried any of these new ISOs? They all have gcc installed.
thank you!
 
Old 03-07-2020, 09:53 AM   #27
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BW-userx: enjoy Bodhi. Meaning is genuine

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Old 03-07-2020, 11:17 AM   #28
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might want to change your default grub
Code:
Warning: Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported.
No support for usb type c??

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Old 03-07-2020, 11:35 AM   #29
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Have you tried any of these new ISOs? They all have gcc installed.
thank you!
You're welcome. The decision to install gcc on them was made before your post complaining about it all, btw. The ISOs already needed 'parts' of gcc, so why not?

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might want to change your default grub
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Warning: Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported.
No support for usb type c??
The Grub warning is harmless and I see that alot on Ubuntu distros. Not worth bothering with for me.

As to usb c the kernel should support it. As to your specific hardware I don't know. I don't have any hardware that recent anyway. Of Course donations accepted If this is a support question open a separate thread for it. Ofcourse google it first. Maybe look at this.
 
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Old 03-07-2020, 11:38 AM   #30
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So now my Bodhi still looks like Bodhi, but has all the (32 bit) tools and apps that my (64 bit) Kubuntu desktop has including wireless printing with the HP printer, T-bird with Lightning, Libreoffice, Firefox, Synaptic, Clementine, and some others. And the old laptop just works well.

Great job! I'll be moving with Bodhi to its next point release.
Glad to hear it. And by the way I think I did the brickwork on the "The next brick house on the right."
 
  


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