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Old 03-02-2020, 04:57 AM   #1
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Bodhi 5.1 rc release now available


My last thread on The BL 5.1 ISOs I have working on was a great success. There were some great Ideas on improvements and no major issues discovered. Thanks to all those that tested, commented or talked to me elsewhere with suggestions or issues noted

With these ideas in mind, we now have Bodhi 5.1 Release Candidate ISOs available for testing.

Only 64 bit rc ISO images are provided at the moment. Don't worry tho, a 32 bit ISO alpha release is available and will be fully supported upon our final release. Most users will want to download and test bodhi-5.1.0-64-rc.iso This features the linux kernel version 4.15.0-88. The hwe release is for users wanting a more recent kernel (5.3.0-40) and kernel updates.

Be sure to read the readme files found at this Sourceforge site.

Bilingual users who wish to help with our current localization efforts would be greatly appreciated. Anyone wish to help with documentation esp updating our quickstart guide to reflect changes in this release please contact us or comment here.

Much thanks to Štefan 'the waiter' Uram for his work on both the code and the themes and icons, Bodhi would not be the same without his creative input. To Alejandro Díaz again for his translation efforts and our current collaboration, and to Kiezel (Pjotr) for his work on localization, promotion and great suggestions on Improvements. And to Philippe J. Guillaumie for providing Moksha with full support for the french language. Also thanks to 'alanwardubuntu' for providing us with Catalan support for our Installer and a Discord user, whose name merely shows up as Roy in my email, for providing us with Hebrew support for our installer. And to ryenigma for providing the screenshots for new Quick Start and starting work on some new wiki articles for this release

Bodhi is a community based Distro and without Teamwork it would cease to be. So I hate to reiterate but donations of time, energy or money are greatly appreciated. Thanks to all for making this possible.

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Old 03-04-2020, 12:06 PM   #2
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Thanks much! I gave it a shot. And I'll share some things I observed during install...

Cool that we can install right from the menu without booting live. However, this didn't work for me the first time because I have a TV plugged into my HDMI port on my laptop. At the time I didnt have the TV on, but as the cable goes directly to my AVR, pc probably sees something is alive even when TV off (as I had AVR on for radio). What I saw on my laptop screen was just a dark background with grey title bar, no text anywhere, but my mouse could move around. Turned out the installer was on my TV which I discovered later. Unplugging HDMI cable prevented this. However I don't think it should have happened anyway....

Since my first attempt at installing didnt work (before I figured out the HDMI issue) I booted into live and turned on wifi successfully. The quick-intro popup is good.

[EDIT: NOT REPEATABLE, Didnt happen again when I tried again, so please ignore this: For some reason, I couldn't connec to most websites under live using the built in browser. Not even google.com. I could connect to my providers website, so it wasn't completely broken. I don't understand.]

The tiny terminology window is cute. Although maybe you want a slightly bigger font as default.

I tried installing from live, it was going incredibly slow but seemed to be working, and didnt care that my hdmi cable wasn't plugged in.

The only other comment on the install was it didnt ask me to remove my install media when I was done before rebooting, I seem to recall bodhi used to tell me to do that.

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Old 03-04-2020, 12:16 PM   #3
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Once installed, the change in appearance is very noticeable. There is only one theme choice besides default, and they aren't much different. All the icons have a plain green look, even on apps that I installed afterwards, seems its not always using the colorful icons I thought were built into the apps (i.e. Firefox). I'm not familiar with this theming/icon set stuff, but will be looking into how to get colorful icons back. Also want to get a start menu with black background and no green highlighting, not happy with either of the two choices that come with it. But this is all personal preference stuff, although on previous version there were more theme choices and icons were more colorful automatically I thought.

So one of the very first things I did was install firefox from terminal, then install discord from the official website. Without gdebi installed, there seems to be no way to install debs direct from browser, not sure why that app isn't included anymore (is there a recommended alternative?), so installed it. But it doesn't work cuz gdebi doesn't ask for root password like it's supposed to. After clicking the 'install' box it just dies.

When I tried to 'open containing folder' from firefox download, it uses ephoto to open folders instead of pcmanfm like it should.

On a not so big deal but noticed it, the taskbar as to the left of the ibar. I think taskbar should be to the right (so quicklaunch icons dont move when apps are opened)....but obviously can be rearranged myself.

I previously used xinput to disable my touchpad or else it messes up me typing. Had to install that manually. Is there a way to disable trackpad w/o installing anything?

Is there a way to have numlock default to on? I previously installed an app called numlockx and put it in startup commands for this.

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Old 03-04-2020, 01:40 PM   #4
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I am unsure which ISO you tested. But they all 'act' more or less the same, so anyway thanks for the feedback.

On the points you bring up:

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Thanks much! I gave it a shot. And I'll share some things I observed during install...

Cool that we can install right from the menu without booting live. However, this didn't work for me the first time because I have a TV plugged into my HDMI port on my laptop. At the time I didnt have the TV on, but as the cable goes directly to my AVR, pc probably sees something is alive even when TV off (as I had AVR on for radio). What I saw on my laptop screen was just a dark background with grey title bar, no text anywhere, but my mouse could move around. Turned out the installer was on my TV which I discovered later. Unplugging HDMI cable prevented this. However I don't think it should have happened anyway....

Since my first attempt at installing didnt work (before I figured out the HDMI issue) I booted into live and turned on wifi successfully. The quick-intro popup is good. For some reason, I couldn't connect to most websites under live using the built in browser. Not even google.com. I could connect to my providers website, so it wasn't completely broken. I don't understand.
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The 'HDMI' issue is interesting but I am unsure if there is anything I can do about it. May have something to do with the way moksha and/or ubiquity handle multiple screens. I will note the issue for now and may look at it after the release for the benefit of future releases.

Epiphany being unable to connect to websites I can't duplicate. Are you sure this was not a temporary issue with your ISP or DNS provider? Could you ping other websites?

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The only other comment on the install was it didnt ask me to remove my install media when I was done before rebooting, I seem to recall bodhi used to tell me to do that.
Yes most if not all previous versions of Bodhi say to remove the media when rebooting after the install. I literally have no idea why these isos don't. It is a minor issue and I haven't investigated the cause. It may be changes in ubiquity itself, as these ISOs have a new version or perhaps some of the changes I made to bodhi builder borked it. The later while possible seems unlikely to me looking over the changes I made. WHile this is unlikely to change on our final release I will investigate it afterwards as it is an unsolved 'puzzle' and on a list I maintain of 'stuff to look at.'

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Once installed, the change in appearance is very noticeable. There is only one theme choice besides default, and they aren't much different. All the icons have a plain green look, even on apps that I installed afterwards, seems its not even using the icons that come with apps or something. I'm not familiar with this theming/icon set stuff, but will be looking into how to get colorful icons back. Also want to get a start menu with black backround and no green highlighting back, not happy with either of the two choices that come with it. But this is all personal preference stuff.
The Icons and the theme is what Štefan has been working on for the last several months. I am unsure what moksha theme you were using in the past but the default icons in bodhi 5.0 were the faenza-icon-theme, you will need to reinstall that if that is what you were using. As to the icons and theme by default, we realize not matter what we choose some people are not going to like it. All that is easy to change and not relevant to the functionality of the ISO or the desktop. Of course if alot of users don't like it and it all gets bad reviews then naturally we will end up changing it. So far tho all that have commented upon it like it with the exception of you.

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So one of the very first things I did was install firefox from terminal, then install discord from the official website. Without gdebi installed, there seems to be no way to install debs direct from browser, not sure why that app isn't included anymore (is there a recommended alternative?), so installed it. But it doesn't work cuz gdebi doesn't ask for root password like it's supposed to. After clicking the 'install' box it just dies ...
Gdebi wasn't installed by default in most of previous ISOs. It is not necessary to have to install a deb file btw. You can use dpkg or apt itself. As far as gDebi not asking for root password after installation, I can't duplicate that at all. Works for me after it is installed no problems.

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When I tried to 'open containing folder' from firefox download, it uses ephoto to open folders instead of pcmanfm like it should.
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Well yes that does happen and we always get someone asking for help on this or complaining about. This all has to do with the way Linux handles mime types. Trivial matter to set the default app to open inode/directory types by default. Maybe I can tweak this somehow in the final release. To me it is non issue but we have gotten many requests for help on this after we added ephoto to bodhi. So perhaps just to alleviate that it would be worth 'fixing.'

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On a not so big deal but noticed it, the taskbar as to the left of the ibar. I think taskbar should be to the right (so quicklaunch icons dont move when apps are opened)....but obviously can be rearranged myself...
I can't duplicate that on all my test installs of these ISOs the taskbar is on the RIGHT of the iBar. Stuff moving around tho on rare occasion of our shelves is an old issue I never fully examined and have no idea why it happens. That has been a low priority issue to me, but anyways patches accepted.

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I previously used xinput to disable my touchpad or else it messes up me typing. Had to install that manually. Is there a way to disable trackpad w/o installing anything?

Is there a way to have numlock default to on? I previously installed an app called numlockx and put it in startup commands for this.
I have never thought about disabling my touchpad without installing something. Actually for the most part I don't disable it. As far as numlock default to on I suppose ya mean on boot, I would prefer not to. If I wanted that I prob would add a script to lightdm. I could prob do it without installing an app, but in all likelihood I would prob be writing code to do it, in either c or python. May be possible to do it straight bash without numlockx or any such program installed. Unsure right now without trying.
 
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Old 03-04-2020, 01:48 PM   #5
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Hello there

1. Colored icons back - open Application theme settings and under Icons tab uncheck "Match Moksha theme if possible". Then choose any icon theme you like. Default is checked. My aim was to make monochrome and elegant green icons set with small memory footprint. The whole set size is just 2,4 MB! Consider Faenza with 64 MB.

2. Not sure what you mean with main menu in green highlight. Arc green theme is simply green theme Send me a screenshot. I probably missed your point.

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Old 03-04-2020, 02:46 PM   #6
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OK after clarification in Discord on the gdebi issue: enigma9o7 was opening the deb file from firefox not downloading it and then opening it. This no longer works and it appears this is a known issue. It also appears this is by design. Not much I can do to change how policy kit works. One could alter the gDebi desktop file and make it work, but I am leaving it as it is.
 
Old 03-04-2020, 02:54 PM   #7
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Yep, also another clarification:

Enigma9o7 explained me the main menu green highlight. When an user moves mouse too fast among menu items, the item leave caused the animation color fading effect. This is coded in theme by default. If users tell me to be distracting I will change it.

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Old 03-04-2020, 05:45 PM   #8
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Enigma9o7 explained me the main menu green highlight. When an user moves mouse too fast among menu items, the item leave caused the animation color fading effect. This is coded in theme by default. If users tell me to be distracting I will change it.
This is completely personal preference. I prefer the start menu with black background and subtle highlighting like in the MokshaGreen theme which came with Bodhi 5.0; I checked and that theme is not in app-center. (edit: ylee pointed me to bodhi-theme-moksha-green -- and I'm quite pleased! )

I also was able to get colorful icons back, but not exactly as you described. In fact, I left that box checked, if I didnt leave at least one box checked (didnt seem to matter which one), no matter what icon set I selected, I wouldn't get icons at all for terminology or pcmanfm. With a box checked, when I select another icon set, like ubuntu, then colorful icons are back (for everything except synaptic, it has no menu icon for some reason).

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Old 03-04-2020, 05:47 PM   #9
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OK after clarification in Discord on the gdebi issue: enigma9o7 was opening the deb file from firefox not downloading it and then opening it. This no longer works and it appears this is a known issue. It also appears this is by design. Not much I can do to change how policy kit works. One could alter the gDebi desktop file and make it work, but I am leaving it as it is.
I am downloading it then opening it, but just clicking on it from the downloaded file list in firefox. Same place that's opening ephoto when I try to open the download folder. As we confirmed, if I open the file from pcmanfm then gdebi does ask for password.

I'm going to keep looking into this further, cuz I want it to work from firefox, at least for me. I checked my previous bodhi install and desktop files are the same, both calling gdebi-gtk %f. And no esudo on previous version either, finally got those issues resolved following updates and forum instructions here a while ago.

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Old 03-04-2020, 05:54 PM   #10
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I have never thought about disabling my touchpad without installing something. Actually for the most part I don't disable it. As far as numlock default to on I suppose ya mean on boot, I would prefer not to. If I wanted that I prob would add a script to lightdm. I could prob do it without installing an app, but in all likelihood I would prob be writing code to do it, in either c or python. May be possible to do it straight bash without numlockx or any such program installed. Unsure right now without trying.
No worries. I'm just trying to be more careful about what I install this time, don't want to install apps for stuff that already has a built-in setting, etc, if there were already built-in settings to disable touchpad or enable numlock at boot, I'd use them; if not, xinput and numlockx solve it just fine I can't type without bumping the touchpad, so noticed this right away, cursor ending up in the middle of previous paragraph. And my wifi password is a number, so noticed right away having to press numlock.

The installer coming up on secondary display still seems odd to me; I was concerned this could happen to everyone with a second screen hooked up too, or people using hdmi for audio only that dont even have a tv on the other end....

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Old 03-05-2020, 05:18 AM   #11
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Perhaps a somewhat unusual idea: it might be handy to add these excellent graphical update tools to the "fat" App Pack iso:
https://launchpad.net/~gm10/+archive...inuxmint-tools

It's what I use in my (otherwise "mean and lean") Bodhi.... They work fine.

Screenshots of what to expect when installed in Ubuntu:
https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspo...buntuplus.html

In order to make Update Manager show a permanent icon in the system tray: launch Update Manager - panel: Edit - Preferences
Enable the following option:
Use AppIndicator for the tray icon (more limited but supports more desktops)

Then add it to the Startup Applications.

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Old 03-05-2020, 05:44 AM   #12
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Enigma - I don't understand the Firefox issue. I just install it from the Software manager and it's there in the menus ready to add to the ibar. Or sudo apt install firefox. And it's there in the menus.

Also check out the themes in the software manager if you want different themes - some of the old ones are there. The theme changes the menu colours, fonts etc and taskbar icons. The ibar icons on the left and the menu icons change with the icons you choose to use (ie faenza or default green ones).

If you go under settings - settings panel - application theme. Select "Icon" at the top. A number of icon sets to choose from :-) The Enlightenment one is similar to Faenza but blue folders instead of brown.

If you install different themes from software manager then to change theme it's either settings-settings panel - theme (to see what it's going to look like). Or settings - theme. To select the theme if you know which one you want. You can still choose your own wallpaper as well as the theme.

If you're not keen on the green (I like it :-) then even without installing any more themes you can select "default" under settings - theme and this gives you a black selection bar instead of a green one and the older style task bar icons in blue.

Sometimes changing theme makes the ibar move slightly/resize. So if the panel opens to the left instead of to the right just move the ibar slightly to the left. It should stay there unless you change theme.

Each theme has a different menu button - some are just 3 dots, some an arrow, some a leaf. Just the style. It's still a menu button!

Different themes can make the font smaller on the menu. To increase this font size it's settings - (stay on the look menu and scroll down to ) - scaling and change 1.2 to 1.5.

Terminology little window goes full screen if you click top right. Yes font size is a bit small - I think that's being looked into :-)

I like that it works from install and is quite minimalist and you can change the look to whatever you like and add whatever you like.

For installing software I use the software manager or the terminal/apt.

I have noticed that not all distros give you the option to remove installation media. As I usually reboot after install anyway, I just turn off after install, remove the installation media and then boot up. I also find that the removing installation media doesn't always work for reboot anyway. (Not on Bodhi but other installers I've used). Personally I'm not bothered if it's there or not!

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can I ask you a question,

putting aside the "it is a minimalist distro" excuse which limits the audience of potential users.

since you got make installed in that distro and there and nothing for it to use, ie gcc what is the point of adding make without gcc? what is the beg deal no having the means to compile source code in a Linux distro.

I see no reason for that....
 
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since you got make installed in that distro and there and nothing for it to use, ie gcc what is the point of adding make without gcc? what is the beg deal no having the means to compile source code in a Linux distro.

I see no reason for that....
Have you tried any of these new ISOs? They all have gcc installed.
 
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Have you tried any of these new ISOs? They all have gcc installed.
the last Bodhi I tried was the latest and greatest. I ran make to be sure it was in there. it was, so I untarted my tarball ran make on that .. big epic fail ... no gcc installed. no means to get it because I was trying to compile the driver for the wifi card. no NIC connection on this laptop even if I had a cat5 , which I do not.

I guess I'll give rc a chance when i get time..
 
  


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