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Old 06-05-2005, 05:11 AM   #16
fatblueduck
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I've only posted in the arch forums a few times (three or four). I might be the reason why you think arch users are so pretentious.

I made a really pretentious-reading post in the referred-to thread about arch becoming to popular. I'm kicking myself for being arrogant and annoying. I'm still a little immature sometimes. I want to take responsibility for that, because so far I have found the arch forums(excluding my idiotic post) to be extremely welcoming and friendly. I think that anyone looking at the threads there will agree.


this
is the thread in question. My username there is "Chris DePauw". How embarrasing.

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I'm trying to move to arch from gentoo. Arch seems easier and is defenitely faster to install. I haven't tried slackware because I don't want to burn the three iso-cds. Arch only uses one cd (I'm a cheap guy). I might try slackware in the next week or so.

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Old 06-05-2005, 08:04 AM   #17
AxelFendersson
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Quote:
Quoth fatblueduck:
I haven't tried slackware because I don't want to burn the three iso-cds.
Actually, Slack's only on two CDs (and if you don't want KDE or GNOME, you only need the first one), but, of course, that's still more than Arch's single disc.
 
Old 06-05-2005, 02:10 PM   #18
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Originally posted by cs-cam
As one of the "nicer" Arch users, I'd be pretty keen to see a link where you got this info. Arch Linux was built from LFScratch and its loosely based on Crux, not Slackware. After reading this thread from an outsiders point of view not having visited this forum for a while due to other commitments, it doesn't look like the Arch users are the ones who are full of themselves or their distro...
I read that years ago and was recalling from memory. Looks like win32-sux found the link. I was close.. Altho I could have sworn I remember reading something about slackware in there as well... Nothing I said could be considered 'full of themselves'... Your just being defensive about your distro, which I understand... When Arch noobs post with a pretty basic problem and get flamed for it, that's being 'full of yourself'... I still answer posts like:

Code:
I just booted up with slackware and it says "root@darkstar ~/"... What do I do now?
It's more of an effort to be a prick and tell someone to use the search function than it is to reply with one word... startx.
You do nothing but re-inforce the stigma about linux users when you act like that. People need to start being nice and helpfull towards one another in general, not just on linux forums. I've helped one guy in particular on another linux forum who was just starting for weeks. The thread ended up being 60 pages of just me and him talking.... And I'm talking basic shit man... Stuff you should have learned in windows... He didn't even know how to browse the filesystem via GUI but wanted to jump right in on getting his winmodem to work...

My linux expierence was at a crawl for the first year because of pricks on forums.... Thats a load of crap. We need to take the time to help people otherwise, there is NO POINT WHATSOEVER in being on the forum in the first place...

egag is right as well... This should have been left in Slackware because that was the posters intended audience. Not only does it have a possibility to degenerate into a distro war because of comments already stated but confuses the original poster as to what happened to the thread. Not to mention, I don't see how this is going to get the "exposure it deserves" when I've just seen a tumbleweed roll by....

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Old 06-05-2005, 05:15 PM   #19
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Originally posted by jong357
egag is right as well... This should have been left in Slackware because that was the posters intended audience. Not only does it have a possibility to degenerate into a distro war because of comments already stated but confuses the original poster as to what happened to the thread. Not to mention, I don't see how this is going to get the "exposure it deserves" when I've just seen a tumbleweed roll by....
As the original poster, I did start feeling really bad when the thread degenerated into rasberry time. I had figured that there were others like me who like to test and compare different distros, and that some of us Slackers could benefit from a discussion of the similarities and dissimilarities between Slackware and Arch, as well as their respective strengths and weaknesses. I especially regretted when the discussion moved from the distros themselves to users of the distros.

While I was a bit disappointed -- tears on the keyboard and all -- in how it worked out, I credit XavierP for taking the trouble of writing me to explain his rationale for moving the post. Though I definitely intended the post for Slackers who are using, have used or are thinking of trying Arch, he thought it belonged more in the Arch forum and would get better exposure there. As moderator, that's his prerogative.

FWIW, I've spent a fair amount of time in the main Arch forum at www.archlinux.org and have also read the LQ Arch forum a bit, and I haven't noticed a greater degree of distro-chauvinism or nasty newby-spurning attitudes among Archers than among any other distros. By and large people treat newbies pretty well, I think, in both the Slack and Arch communities. Anyway, this year's expert was last year's newby, right?
 
Old 07-04-2005, 02:40 AM   #20
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While I was a bit disappointed -- tears on the keyboard and all -- in how it worked out, I credit XavierP for taking the trouble of writing me to explain his rationale for moving the post. Though I definitely intended the post for Slackers who are using, have used or are thinking of trying Arch, he thought it belonged more in the Arch forum and would get better exposure there. As moderator, that's his prerogative.
i see it going either way. the only way i came across this was cuz i'm a slack user and like many others, i created spare partitions to use when trying out the different distros without having to sacrifice my slackware
tonights curiosity brought me to arch, which brought me here, although i would have found it sooner in the slack forum where i constantly surf for tips and tricks and opinions and stuff, much like (read: exactly like) dhave posted here

as for the pricks....in the almost 2 years i've been lurking around here, i've seen tons of them, and not one has really been distro specific. maybe it's people tired of answering the same "my middle button on my mouse doesn't work" or "which distro should i use", but as i pointed out a few times, it's easier to pass those posts by then it is to click on them, and rant and rave and spout RTFM or DISTRO-WATCH...
personally, i've been put off a few times by people who have been less than nice, but then again, i've learned maybe 80% of what i know about linux from this site, so it's clear there are far more happy helpful people than there are grumps...
anyways...i'm just glad there ARE posts like this...it makes people sit back and go 'hmmm'
 
Old 07-04-2005, 03:58 AM   #21
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I should specify that I was talking about the Arch forums on the Arch site, note the LQ Arch forums.

But you are correct, there are silly people in the Slackware forums here on LQ as well and ignoring them is the best solution. That works perfectly here, because the noise level is very low, the amount of really interesting posts is huge. Over at the Arch forums, I personally found the noise level too high because there were just as much stupid postings as interesting ones.

It's a pity for this fine distro Arch. But the LQ-Slackware forum is for me one of the major arguments in favor of Slack. You got a bunch of highly qualified people around here, and you can evolve with them by reading their posts or by trying to help others. That, Arch cannot match yet, and although it's not a technical point at all it's much more important than the technical differences.
 
  


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