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Old 12-03-2003, 06:26 PM   #16
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Originally posted by LSD -- Gentoo isn't absurdly complicated, not like Debian anyway.
So wait, Debian is the most complicated to install? More so than Arch? So wouldn't that mean by mastering Debian you could become a Guru, then go back to Arch for speed and optimize it even more...

 
Old 12-19-2003, 10:31 AM   #17
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I would like to try Arch....under Gentoo is this possible ?

Network Install .....I have no CDR boot disks maybe....

Surely we are talking about the core (kernel) then bolt everything else on

Discuss
 
Old 01-17-2004, 07:37 PM   #18
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Is Arch Linux as Hard to install as it sounds?

I have install fatigue after trying 16 different distro's.

I became dissatisfied with the big name bibary distros which all (with the exception of Libra) installed easily.

I was looking for a distro that made the most of my hardware. I was particularly interested to see what performance difference there was.

Tried all the source based distros with little success (too many install killing bugs) & much wasted time.

Gentoo : obscenely complicated & very time consuming.
Disabled keyboard on first boot. unresolved reported BUG.

Lunar : ncurses style installer, too many undocumented options,
Disabled keyboard on first boot. unresolved reported BUG.

Sourcemage : ncurses style installer identical to Lunar but with sensible default options, installed fine, unresolved reported bug in make system was a show stopper.

Onebase : crude inflexible text installer,
Disabled keyboard during mid-install, unresolved reported BUG.

So you can understand I was not feeling like another geekathon just to get the freakin thing installed...

I D/l'd the AMLUG 0.4 CD & installed from that.
Worked fine (with the exception of the known bug in USB which is noted on their front page). I got a bootable Arch 0.6 KDE based system in 20 mins.

Once installed I found a distro that was simple to administer with a Package installer that works great & I can still use the package builder to create new packages or even rebuild the whole system if I want.

Now I am can geek my heart out when I want too.

Congratulations to the Arch & AMLUG teams, on a fine effort.
I look forward to these projects maturing and giving the grossly over hyped Gentoo a run for it's money.

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Old 01-18-2004, 02:37 AM   #19
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you know I ran Red Hat for about a year and tried Mandrake, Mandrake sucks because I could never get it to accept incoming DHCP from my router which is setup as a DHCP server. After many trials with mandrake and being annoyed with red hat and that new fedora crap, I tried slackware. I must say, nothing beats slackware with dropline gnome installed on it. I wouldn't give slackware up for anything.
 
Old 01-18-2004, 03:01 AM   #20
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you know I ran Red Hat for about a year and tried Mandrake, Mandrake sucks because I could never get it to accept incoming DHCP from my router which is setup as a DHCP server. After many trials with mandrake and being annoyed with red hat and that new fedora crap, I tried slackware. I must say, nothing beats slackware with dropline gnome installed on it. I wouldn't give slackware up for anything.
That could have been me saying that a few months ago with Slack 9.0 and Dropline. I messed up the upgrade to to 9.1 and decided to reformat the partition and start over. The Arch CD was on top of my Slack 9.1 CD's so I figured, "why not?" and gave it a whirl. Haven't looked back since and Slackware has not been reinstalled. Everything I liked about Slackware is in Arch (straighforward init system, module loading, etc.) and so much more. No more digging around on linuxpackages.net to find what I'm looking for, the option to download and compile with optimizations any program using pre-tested scripts if I don't like the binaries and no bloat are just some of things that keep me with Arch.
 
Old 01-18-2004, 03:03 AM   #21
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I tried to install arch once, it didn't like my wireless keyboard.
 
Old 01-18-2004, 01:09 PM   #22
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I agree, no more RH or Mandrake for me either. RH was ok for about a day, then stuff just started to disappear. That probably could have been fixed by doing the updates, but my first experience with RH taught me not to register with RHN. It took me over a year to get rid of RHN the first time, I certainly wasn't going to give them my new eMail addy. Mandrake's 'diskdrake' formatted my whole hard drive when I tried to format an existing (unused) partition from reiser to Ext2 for a Linux From Scratch partition. Right now I'm using SuSE 9.0. I'm not too impressed with it either. The kernel is huge, slow, and klunky. I timed the time from pushing the power button until the login screen. It took 2 minutes and 29 seconds. Ouch. It can't find agpgart.o, even though I can find it right where it's supposedly looking for it.
I think I'm gonna give arch a try, just as soon as I read up on how to do an FTP install.
 
Old 01-18-2004, 03:43 PM   #23
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mandrake did the same to me one time, I have 2 HD's and one partition housed my MP3's and some other important stuff, I told it to install on the existing free space but it erased all my MP3's and formatted the whole drive.....Needless to say it made me mad. That's when I knew Mandrake was a huge pile of dung...
 
Old 02-03-2004, 06:49 AM   #24
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Easy: Try MEPIS . Great distro, Debian based (why do lindows and xandros use it as a base you think?), fantasdtic HW-detection, extreem easy installation.

Just do it!

MArcel
 
Old 02-06-2004, 10:32 AM   #25
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Ive tried lots of distros (see my profile) but most of them do suck!

I installed debian, and CAREFULLY went throgh dselect, and it woudnt load x, or it would have a fit and keep rebooting or a hundred and one other things that had me thinking why cant i have all the packages i want?

I only choose things i used a lot and really needed.

Then i found arch, and i could have gentoo (the file manager, not the distro) running on xfce, and i could have everything i wanted, so i'm sticking with it

It took a bit of getting used to, but i useually install my distros about 5 times anyway just so i REALLY know whats going on!

Anyway, just my thoughts!
 
Old 02-07-2004, 03:44 AM   #26
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All the troubles that make debian uninteresting (installing, old software) are solved when you use mepis. TRY IT!
 
  


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