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xri 06-27-2010 09:43 PM

How often do you upgrade?
  1. How often do you run pacman -Syu ?
  2. How frequently does your system break after an upgrade (if ever)?
  3. If your system has broken after an upgrade, what was the issue (xorg crashing, kernel panic, etc...)?

linus72 06-27-2010 09:55 PM

1) everyday day or two

2) only broke once in 3 mos(broke today)

3) /usr/bin/X -configure crashes with segfault due to xf86-video-vmware (solution: remove xf86-video-vmware)

John VV 06-27-2010 10:16 PM

every few days -- except for now--
until the nvidia 96 and 173 issue with xorg 1.8 gets solved

cantab 07-01-2010 09:59 AM

A few times a week. I've never yet had a whole-system breakage, though I have had certain programs stop working.

pixellany 07-01-2010 10:11 AM

When I think of it (or want to install something new) AND I can afford the time to wait for it.
When I NEED to install something

Upgrades have not broken anything recently, but it does happen....

cantab 07-01-2010 10:24 AM

On the other hand, NOT updating can result in unpatched vulnerabilities and getting hacked. If you have few services exposed to the internet, whether because few are running or because you're behind a separate firewall/router, you're unlikely to be troubled though.

Alexvader 07-01-2010 10:34 AM

I do not... and do not plan to either...

I run ( will install Arch tonite in a real mobo instead of playing around with it in external USB HDDs ) Arch Linux in "static" mode :

I will explain :

Once I decided to Install Arch, I downloaded the 2010.5 x86_64 iso, burned it in a CD, and downloaded the full repo snapshot for x86_64; extra, core, community, made a big tar.gz of this, and splitted it in 5 DVDs.

This is "My Arch Release".

I install Arch, and I unpack the DVD's content there in /home/My_repo.

Then I change /etc/pacman.conf to say where things are, and create also /home/My_packages, where I drop everything I build from AUR, as well as what is not yet in AUR but i build and package anyway.

This way, I can have a system that is fast, responsive, where i can fetch, install or remove whatever i want, without the fear of having to rebuild something from AUR or any package that I built, which was broken since last pacman -Syu, because of a new library version update, if pacman was configured to fetch stuff from the most recent releases of Libraries, kernel, glibc, etc...

This way I will not break my nvidia driver, wireless module, etc.

After a "major" release, like future 2011.5 for instance, I will repeat the process...

And further, I am trying to build a Live distro out of arch and some custom packages I want to include... so it is better to start with some stable base... IMHO

AFAIK the only *NIXes that allows for painless ( everything still working out of the box ) upgrades, are Solaris, and *BSD...

cantab 07-01-2010 11:06 AM

You misunderstand the Arch philosophy it seems. And you're trying to make Arch be like Slackware, Debian, Ubuntu, and most other distros are by default.

Alexvader 07-01-2010 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by cantab (Post 4020697)
You misunderstand the Arch philosophy it seems. And you're trying to make Arch be like Slackware, Debian, Ubuntu, and most other distros are by default.

I only wish that pacman -Syu would noy b0|2k stuff from AUR for instance... :(

Or that AUR would be merged in a repository...

This way, I would perform a massive update without having to rebuild stuff... but this is not possible, is it...? Automatic AUR rebuilds...?



Edit :

BTW do you know how long it iakes to build this, or this the last one took more than two hours... and I run a fairly decent machine with 8 Gb Ram...

Would be awesome if stuff like this was included in a repo, so that an upgrade would result in a coherent system IMHO...

Last Edit : And, last but not the least... I do not always have a fast internet connection around... : Those DVD's that hold the repo snapshot are my last resource if I have to install some library/package...

cantab 07-01-2010 12:29 PM

Automating AUR rebuilds would indeed be nice. I think there are some GUI package managers that are supposed to do things like that, but they're still experimental.

I will admit, those are some big packages you have there from the AUR. One thing I notice on my system: the build process isn't multitasking. When there are many source files to be compiled, they're being done strictly one at a time. With virtually every processor nowadays being dual core, and many having more (I have a triple core Phenom), I think makepkg really needs to add a multitasking option.

Alexvader 07-01-2010 12:54 PM


those are some big packages you have there from the AUR.
Not to mention OpenFoam
and some custom utilities which I always build from scratch,

Code Aster,


and its dependents like gmsh, netgen, etc...




This is really heavy stuff to build...

I only wish that Arch could have some sort of a ports system like Crux used to have, or the *BSDs have... this way, rebuilds could be automated....

Bratmon 07-09-2010 08:56 AM

I upgrade whenever I'm in the mood for a challenge. It breaks things more often than it doesn't, but that's why I installed Arch, for the challenge. Now whenever I watch a 3D program go 3-4 frames per second, I swear at myself (and the noveau team (and everyone at nvidia)) for this decision.

TheStarLion 07-10-2010 01:49 PM

I usually upgrade once every time I log in, unless I've already done it that day. The only issue I've ever had was the Xorg update borking any NVidia driver.
I know it says that all but the latest aren't supported, but my laptop, which is meant to use the 'nvidia' package also doesn't work, forcing me to nouveau instead.

uxrs75 07-25-2010 01:44 PM

I update roughly once a day. (It's a rolling release---might as well take advantage of it.)

I've only ever had the system break once in the 10 months I've been running Arch: I updated the kernel and subsequently lost my wireless connection. I had to downgrade the kernel and hold off upgrading it until the problem was fixed, which came with the next kernel update.

BeaverusIV 08-10-2010 02:48 PM

I update whenever I'm bored (At least every day). Haven't had anything break for a while (Since going from KDE 4.1 to 4.2). My only problem is the AUR packages that are git/svn but don't get updated... would love a recompile every week or so.

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