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Old 09-23-2015, 01:37 AM   #1
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Can't register on arch forum


I wanted to go yap at some people on the arch forum to find out why my static ip wasn't working.... haven't even installed the os and can't get the static ip to work...

I've been trying to install arch several times over the last 3-4 years and have failed.

Now I go onto their website to register and they have some stupid question that requires a correct answer...
first off I thought it was a direct copy kind of thing... turns out you gotta put spaces... super noob unfriendly arch has been... I'm not really nooby and wanted to get arch as some people say it makes you smarter at linux... been running a ubuntu server for many years and swapping things on it requireing editing conf and stuff. also tried many desktop linux.

Now I want to go yell in some people's faces about this stupid crap...

This website seems popular for these....

Just remembered that I'm trying this on a vm and can't copy and paste... so take my word.

I type in date -u +%V$ (uname) and it gives off a error zsh: missing delimiter for 'u' glob qualifier
still coughs out a crayZ code but it don't work, when I enter the rest.
Who's bright idea was this....
 
Old 09-23-2015, 02:23 AM   #2
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super noob unfriendly arch has been
Why does that surprise you? What lead you to believe Arch is meant for noobies?

Quote:
Code:
date -u +V$ (uname)
Just for the heck of it, I entered the command into my OpenBSD system. The result was
Code:
$ date -u +V$ OpenBSD
date: illegal time format
usage: date [-aju] [-d dst] [-r seconds] [-t minutes_west] [-z output_zone]
            [+format] [[[[[[cc]yy]mm]dd]HH]MM[.SS]]
I am not using Linux, but the command still results in something. Sorry to be blunt, but I do not think you are ready to use Arch. I suggest reading more of their documentation.

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Old 09-23-2015, 02:32 AM   #3
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I realize that you seem to be frustrated for some reason, but no one wants to be yapped at so you might want to take a deep breath or two and rethink your approach.

Perhaps someone here can help with your static IP problem, but we will require a bit more info. You state that you haven't even installed the OS and can't get static IP to work, that is difficult to understand. If you could tell us how you are running your arch instance, what you have tried to get static IP working, and how it has failed, we can probably figure it out.

Likewise, I am sure that during the same 3-4 years that you have failed to install arch, there are more than a few who have succeeded. So there is likely something wrong on your end, or something that you do not understand. So a little more info about that would go a long way toward getting it resolved.

As for the signup problems, all websites have had to put in place protections against bot exploits abusing their mebership system - arch is no exception. The difficulty of the process is more a reflection of the level of abuse and attacks they are under than any stupidity on the part of the site admins. The object of the test is to make it difficult enough to meet their requirements, not easy enough for anyone to stumble through the door.

Yelling at them in their faces and calling them stupid will not likely get you any useful responses.

Show others the same respect that you want to receive, do to others as you want them to do to you - the world will be a much better place for us all.

Wait until tomorrow and try their signup again. Think carefully about it, thought is the point of it, and if you can't get past it, ask respectfully for help there or here and I am sure we can figure it out.

Last edited by astrogeek; 09-23-2015 at 02:33 AM. Reason: tpos, typs, typos
 
Old 09-23-2015, 04:01 AM   #4
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Old 09-23-2015, 01:59 PM   #5
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the basic steps for installing ARCH

1)
read
"Beginners' guide"
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners27_guide

"Installation guide"
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installation_guide

"Table of contents"
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Table_of_contents


2)
then with PAPER AND PENCIL !!!!! -- YES A #2 pencil!!!!!
write a brief "install OUTLINE!!! "

3)
REREAD!!!! all the linke in step 1 !!!
and flesh out the install outline


4)
REPEAT STEP 3 !!!!

if this sounds like writing a TERM PAPER -- it SHOULD!!!!!!

5)
then use the on paper !!! install guide you wrote and fallow it and install ARCH

Last edited by John VV; 09-23-2015 at 08:39 PM.
 
Old 09-23-2015, 05:30 PM   #6
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I was in the process of installing, though the Beginners' Guide they have.
Booted the disk.
I get to the static ip part enter the stuff it says:
interface
ip
router
domain
(short version)
There is a whole bunch of other text in that file dhcpcd.conf
so I write it at the bottom.

then
systemctl restart dhcpcd.service

ifconfig

ip is still the same ip it was before, it isn't my new static ip.
also can anyone tell me about the /24 after setting my static ip ex. 192.168.0.1/24

Sorry but 3-4 years ago I was just starting linux arch was said to run supper light and customisable... so I wanted to try and get it... and back then arch had this HUGE package selecter thing and I had 0 idea what was what so I would just install everything and well it didn't work.

I've recently seen a video of a guy on youtube take a raspberry pi and put arch on it and have 2 monitors and I really wanted to recreate it for myself as it looked awesome, but to get it working on my laptop first, after virtualbox.

I actually printed out the beginner guide because I read better that way.
 
Old 09-23-2015, 05:42 PM   #7
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higgins909

why not actually finish step #1
then do steps 2,3,4,and 5
 
Old 09-23-2015, 06:44 PM   #8
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Sorry but 3-4 years ago I was just starting linux arch was said to run supper light and customisable... so I wanted to try and get it... and back then arch had this HUGE package selecter thing and I had 0 idea what was what so I would just install everything and well it didn't work.


Learn the basics of Linux before trying to install Arch. It's meant as an "expert" distro, and it doesn't do any handholding. While this can be a good thing for some people, if you don't even understand basic syntax of your commands, then while you might get it installed, you're not going to enjoy using it for long. Get used to the basics, THEN move onto Arch.


BTW, as far as being light, there are many much easier to install/configure distro's that can run JUST as light as Arch. And while I would say Arch once performed better than most distro's if you install all the same things, I would definitely say that's no longer true (although others might find it does). I have switched from Debian to Arch and back to Debian on my Core-i7 Quad core, and Debian before and after Arch (both as close to identical installs as is possible) is faster to boot by a good amount (like 20 seconds), and I think maybe a TINY bit faster once booted. So while it can be light, when configured to be fully functional, it's no faster than other OS's.


In the end, if you want a distro that you're in control of everything, and offers very little to no assistance, then I have to say, there's a reason why Slackware is the oldest distribution there is still active. Also, setting up Slackware is a lot easier, and once you've been managing a slackware installation for a few months, you might understand what you're doing enough to be able to successfully install Arch (if you really, really want to).

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Old 09-23-2015, 07:24 PM   #9
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higgins909

why not actually finish step #1
then do steps 2,3,4,and 5
Alright, I will do that, but I have some questions.

That first link didn't work right for me, is it the same as https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners'_guide#UEFI_modehttp://?
Then the table of contents, do I have to read all of that? Like click each section of the table of contents?

Timothy Miller:
I've swapped drives around, set them to auto mount the drive, static ip, virtual box/machine, samba, proxy, do things when restarted etc. Arch is a bit more hardy it seems. The only thing I know about slackware is it has a interesting name. I once had debian on my old desktop, it was pretty sweet, but what got to me was switching back and forth for games that weren't linux compatible... I know there is wine, but sometimes that could be a fight.

Will take a further look at what John wants me to read and have a look at slackware.
 
Old 09-23-2015, 08:41 PM   #10
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this FRACKING FORUMS HATRED FOR THE PERCENT SIGN KNOWS NO F'ING BOUNDS!!!!!!!
it removed the "%%%%%%%% " in the url
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h t t p s : / / w i k i . a r c h l i n u x . o r g / i n d e x . p h p / B e g i n n e r s % 2 7 _ g u i d e
Code:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners%27_guide
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners%27_guide
 
Old 09-23-2015, 08:57 PM   #11
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this FRACKING FORUMS HATRED FOR THE PERCENT SIGN KNOWS NO F'ING BOUNDS!!!!!!!
It is annoying!

astrogeek's hint: I always place a gratuitous % somewhere at the start of my post, which seems to trip some flag that makes other later instances work better. I then enclose text with those I want to be seen in [NOPARSE/] tags - %%%%%%%%.

This is not 100% predictable when using nested QUOTE, CODE and other tags, or multiple instances of %%% inline, but it seems to greatly help to subdue the percent-eating dragon with a preview edit or two!
 
Old 09-23-2015, 09:16 PM   #12
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after the first "percent " the rest do work

it is the first one that dose not
 
Old 09-24-2015, 04:34 PM   #13
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I actually printed out the beginner guide because I read better that way.
that's a good idea, but there's another problem:
often other instructions are referenced by a link, and one is actually required to follow that link, follow the instructions found there, and then return and continue with the actual beginners' guide.

i have not managed to install arch linux without a second machine to browse the archwiki.
that said, i have installed arch linux a few times now...
 
Old 09-24-2015, 05:11 PM   #14
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that's a good idea, but there's another problem:
often other instructions are referenced by a link, and one is actually required to follow that link, follow the instructions found there, and then return and continue with the actual beginners' guide.

i have not managed to install arch linux without a second machine to browse the archwiki.
that said, i have installed arch linux a few times now...
You'd probably be able to soon install without a second machine. After you've done a few Arch installs it gets pretty easy to remember what all you need to do.
 
Old 09-24-2015, 06:05 PM   #15
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The elinks browser is available on the arch iso to look things up once an internet connection is established.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Head_on_a_Stick View Post
elinks is on the Arch ISO

EDIT: To bring up a wired connection in the live environment, use:
Code:
# systemctl start dhcpcd
EDIT2: I think there may be an install.txt (or similar) as well.
 
  


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