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Old 01-11-2019, 06:18 AM   #1
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Latest Dedoimdo review: MX Linux MX-17 Horizon


I just noticed this forum. Thought I'd pass this along. Those who frequent the official forum already know. And the best distro of 2018 is ...

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First place: MX Linux MX-17 Horizon

From the very start, MX Linux behaved beautifully. It was elegant, robust and stable. It comes with many unique features and applications, including its MX Tools combo. It's one of the few distros that actually save the contents of the live session after the installation, so you don't need to go about redoing everything. You get blazing performance, excellent battery life, all the fun out of the box, and it's constantly, continuously improving, with great momentum by the team and the community. The top choice of 2018.
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https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/...stro-2018.html

Congratulations!

I have MX-18 installed in VirtualBox. Nice! Alas... I am a Slackware user so won't be switching; however, MX is now on my recommends list to friends looking to try Linux.

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Old 01-11-2019, 07:14 AM   #2
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He also gave it "Best Xfce Distro of 2018."
 
Old 01-15-2019, 04:22 AM   #3
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https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/mx-18-lenovo.html
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The heat is on. The stakes are high. Why, thou asketh? Well, I crowned MX-17 the best distro of 2018, and now I'm testing the successor release, MX-18 Continuum, with all the associated hype and expectation. And that means it must sparkle and shine and be absolutely splendid, because even tiny mistakes will mean it isn't quite as fabulous as the last year's edition.
 
Old 01-15-2019, 07:41 AM   #4
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Sorry, but I have to take exception with this:

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But then, I had a text boot all the way. Lots of scrolling messages and flickering screens with different resolutions. Busy. Not fun. Unless you're debugging, the boot sequence should be clean and quiet. Messages mean trouble.
Seriously, dude? This is Linux, not Windows or macOS. I understand that he's kinda OCD and doesn't want to see things like this, but at the end of the day, TEXT is the basis of all UNIX and UNIX-like operating systems. Verbose boot screens/sequences provide valuable info, and I find the effort to cover this up in Linux ridiculous. I guess it's all part of the continued Windows-ification of Linux, and one of the (many) reasons I have left for BSD.
 
Old 01-15-2019, 09:29 AM   #5
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Sorry, but I have to take exception with this:



Seriously, dude? This is Linux, not Windows or macOS. I understand that he's kinda OCD and doesn't want to see things like this, but at the end of the day, TEXT is the basis of all UNIX and UNIX-like operating systems. Verbose boot screens/sequences provide valuable info, and I find the effort to cover this up in Linux ridiculous. I guess it's all part of the continued Windows-ification of Linux, and one of the (many) reasons I have left for BSD.
with that reaction, I am thinking you don't know Dedoimdo very well. Read his about page.

I use Slackware so I'm no stranger text scrolling by while booting, in fact I prefer it. That said a majority distributions, including the big user base ones hide the boot up sequence. He is critiquing with that angle. No need to get upset over it. Out of curiosity, how long have you been using Linux?

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Old 01-15-2019, 10:05 AM   #6
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Sorry, but I have to take exception with this:

Seriously, dude? This is Linux, not Windows or macOS. I understand that he's kinda OCD and doesn't want to see things like this, but at the end of the day, TEXT is the basis of all UNIX and UNIX-like operating systems. Verbose boot screens/sequences provide valuable info, and I find the effort to cover this up in Linux ridiculous. I guess it's all part of the continued Windows-ification of Linux, and one of the (many) reasons I have left for BSD.
I disagree. Linux will never see wide adoption as a desktop o/s unless it can be used by folk who never want to use the command line or see boot text output unless for troubleshooting purposes. Of course, it should also still be able to be used by folk who do want to take a more nuts and bolts command line approach to Linux. The best of both worlds. Linux isn't just for hobbyists any more, and hasn't been for quite some time.

Dedoimedo's comment that "Unless you're debugging, the boot sequence should be clean and quiet" is spot on in my opinion.
 
Old 01-15-2019, 10:16 AM   #7
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with that reaction, I thinking you don't know Dedoimdo very well. Read his about page.

I use Slackware so I'm no stranger text scrolling by while booting, in fact I prefer it. That said a majority distributions, including the big user base ones hide the boot up sequence. He is critiquing with that angle. No need to get upset over it. Out of curiosity, how long have you been using Linux?
I've been reading his reviews for years. But yes, I get where you're (or rather he) is coming from, so it does make sense, based on that.

I had been using Linux since 1999. Started with Red Hat (pre-RHEL and Fedora), moved to Debian, then Slackware, then Gentoo, then back to Slackware, and now on OpenBSD. I still have kind words for the likes of Slackware, Devuan, Gentoo, Void, and Alpine, but beyond that, I'm done with Linux.
 
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I disagree. Linux will never see wide adoption as a desktop o/s unless it can be used by folk who never want to use the command line or see boot text output unless for troubleshooting purposes. Of course, it should also still be able to be used by folk who do want to take a more nuts and bolts command line approach to Linux. The best of both worlds. Linux isn't just for hobbyists any more, and hasn't been for quite some time.

Dedoimedo's comment that "Unless you're debugging, the boot sequence should be clean and quiet" is spot on in my opinion.
I can agree with this. Point taken.

However, in the effort to make Linux more "user-friendly," there seems to be a lot of regressions and bugginess. Even Dedoimedo's own articles point to this. And it's becoming increasingly hard to avoid "Poettering-ware" in Linux, even if it's just the likes of Pulseaudio.

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I can agree with this. Point taken.

However, in the effort to make Linux more "user-friendly," there seems to be a lot of regressions and bugginess. Even Dedoimedo's own articles point to this. And it's becoming increasingly hard to avoid "Poettering-ware" in Linux, even if it's just the likes of Pulseaudio.
Yes, indeed. Not only that, but over the past few years there have been many what I consider to be unnecessary changes in various Linux components, to UI's in particular. I'm a fan of stability and honing software rather than the addition of changes for the sake of them. In saying that though, I do appreciate that I have to move with the times to a certain extent, rather than be continually involved in "last stands". So, for example, I'm comfortable using systemd now, even comfortable using Firefox's new interface (despite the usual transition period with such significant changes these days where a lot of previous functionality can be lost until it can be reintroduced, if ever). However Gnome's move to Gnome 3 as well as KDE 4's complete bugginess for much of its early life still stick in the craw. I've now moved to MATE for a more comfortable existence. I blame the developers mostly - it's much more sexy to develop new "ground-breaking" features than it is to quash bugs and improve overall ease-of-use.
 
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Old 01-15-2019, 09:32 PM   #10
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I had been using Linux since 1999. Started with Red Hat (pre-RHEL and Fedora), moved to Debian, then Slackware, then Gentoo, then back to Slackware, and now on OpenBSD. I still have kind words for the likes of Slackware, Devuan, Gentoo, Void, and Alpine, but beyond that, I'm done with Linux.
Cool! I've been around since Linux started. First was Yggdrasil Linux, then Slackware. I've tried a lot of other distributions over the years always go back to Slackware. My roots are in UNIX.
 
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Cool! I've been around since Linux started. First was Yggdrasil Linux, then Slackware. I've tried a lot of other distributions over the years always go back to Slackware. My roots are in UNIX.
Awesome. I've been experimenting some with OpenIndiana lately, but it's pretty slow compared to OpenBSD.
 
  


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