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View Poll Results: Programming Language of the Year
PHP 116 13.43%
Perl 73 8.45%
Python 226 26.16%
Ruby 46 5.32%
C 115 13.31%
C++ 129 14.93%
Java 106 12.27%
Lisp 9 1.04%
Erlang 4 0.46%
Smalltalk 1 0.12%
Haskell 11 1.27%
C# 19 2.20%
Lua 4 0.46%
COBOL 3 0.35%
Scheme 2 0.23%
OCaml 0 0%
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Old 02-08-2009, 07:50 AM   #76
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Originally Posted by cristoper View Post
No, I'm pretty sure He codes in LISP.
well. OK, figments of the imagination can have any gender, just that the imagined gender shows bias.

Why is the flying spaghetti monster a "he" should it be "it" ?
Old 02-08-2009, 08:31 PM   #77
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IMHO, Java or nothing...
Old 02-09-2009, 08:46 AM   #78
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Originally Posted by cristoper
No, I'm pretty sure He codes in LISP.
Ostensibly, yes...
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Originally Posted by ryj_cube View Post
IMHO, Java or nothing...
Dear god!!
Old 02-09-2009, 09:39 AM   #80
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I wanted to vote for Javascript, and could not…
Javascript has seen a boost in performance with real-time engines this year, and a boost in usage with many more “web*2” sites (Ajax included).

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Hi, theYinYeti -

I hate Javascript with a passion. It makes VB6 or ASP.Net look like paragons of elegance. It's a hack that was created over beer and pizza late one Friday night over at Netscape, and it looks it. IMHO, Javascript is just about everything a language *shouldn't* be.


It's totally unavoidable, and totally indispensible. It's a cornerstone of some of the most interesting/innovative software being written today.

I agree: Javascript should be one the list. And could well be a contender for the #1 spot!
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Javascript isn't as bad as people think it is. Unfortunately, far too few programmers actually learnt to use it the proper way, by forgetting the '90's JS, and learning structured unobtrusive JS instead.

See here for a quick overview (I know, links are broken, I'll have to do some house-keeping…):

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Please delete this post. Sorry: slow network -> error (why?) -> re-post -> double post…

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Old 02-10-2009, 07:08 PM   #84
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My very first language was BASIC, but that's a long time ago... back in the 8-bit era
Now C is my favorite
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I vote for shell script. It is the real language of the year every year.

Sure AWK and C/C++ are good contenders. Java is only for gadgets.
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C and Java
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Originally Posted by indienick View Post
Ostensibly, yes...
i feel pity for Him
Old 02-12-2009, 12:21 AM   #88
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Originally Posted by advanced View Post
i feel pity for Him
Him? I suggest you learn a language with a suitable neuter personal pronoun so that you can do away with your blatant deity gender bias...
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w00t? No fortran, Pascal, BASIC, or even Snobol? (lol, snobol... the language that was dead before it started, or, the cp/m of programming languages, or... well, you get it. )

C's the shitznit. 'nuff said
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SNOBOL Rebuttal

Originally Posted by opensuse4life View Post
lol, snobol... the language that was dead before it started
If you mean it was originally intended as a research platform, rather than a practical number cruncher like FORTRAN, then OK -- you're almost right.

I trust you have read the SNOBOL Wikipedia article. Permit me one short quotaton from that article:
SNOBOL was quite widely taught in larger US universities in the late 1960s and early 1970s and was widely used in the 1970s and 1980s as a text manipulation language in the humanities.
From The Retrocomputing Museum:
One of the most interesting, original, and influential languages of the 1960s, SNOBOL was designed around string-processing, pattern-matching, and textual transformation. Like many other one-idea languages (TRAC, APL) it was extremely powerful and elegant within its problem domain, but weak outside it (there also seems to be a law that such languages must have obscure syntax). It strongly influenced UNIX regular expression notation.
And finally from
If it ain't regular expressions, it ain't no good. - LES

Les's ideas are no better than his grammar. The only advantage of regular expressions over Snobol pattern matching and Icon string scanning is that regular expressions are very terse. Perhaps because of their terseness, they quickly become unreadable as they become more complex. Pattern matching and string scanning are far more powerful, are quicker to write, and are far easier to debug. One writer said that if you have a problem and you solve it with a regular expression, you end up with two problems. If you need to do anything complex with strings, your best bet is Icon string scanning. Larry
This last one tells me why I get a horrible déjà vu of "There used to be a better way." when I can't write a regex to do what I want, or when I see a particularly nasty obscure regex (esp. in a Perl script).

Quick, what does: 's/\/\/\//\/\//' do? Edit: added smiley

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