Desktop Environment of the Year

ruppertus · 02-17-2008, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Count Zero

Yeah, I love Fluxbox. It's a great window manager. That's why it got my vote in *that* poll.

By the way. Does anyone know how to change reaction in fluxbox for ALT+TAB action? I hope that you understand me. I don't like the style fluxbox change the active window. Gnome, KDE and Xfce do that much better.

Count Zero · 02-17-2008, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ruppertus

By the way. Does anyone know how to change reaction in fluxbox for ALT+TAB action? I hope that you understand me. I don't like the style fluxbox change the active window. Gnome, KDE and Xfce do that much better.

I don't think this is the proper place for this question but the answer nevertheless is that you edit this in the keys file, located in the folder ~/.fluxbox. This page will help you.

ruppertus · 02-18-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zero

I don't think this is the proper place for this question but the answer nevertheless is that you edit this in the keys file, located in the folder ~/.fluxbox. This page will help you.

Thanks, I've just looked for such modification:

Code:

Mod1 Tab :MacroCmd {Deiconify Last OriginQuiet} {NextWindow 0}
source

schnexel · 02-19-2008, 07:05 AM

A "Desktop Environment" that can't serve a DESK is no desktop environment.
(e.g. Gnome can serve n windows/peepHoles/boxes, but they are separated and don't add to one desk)

I use a blank Fvwm2 plus a modified popup FvwmPager. No taskbar blocking my way (background-click/MenuKey popup menu suffices). The taskbar is a microsofty BS marketing invention, made for the beginner who can't find the background menu(s) after 10s of not-trying.

A DESK is an arbitrarily big workspace where to open windows at arbitrary positions (not in peepHoles/boxes like with windoze, gnome, kde, etc.). The pager is used to move the view around and to have an overview of the whole desk (with all its 100 non-minimized non-overlapping spread out windows...) This is just like the good old desk known since centuries, but lost to modern programmers... Would you maximize/minimize your papers and books all day long, and have your desk divided into small boxes (where an XXL paper won't fit into)?

AceofSpades19 · 02-19-2008, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by schnexel

A "Desktop Environment" that can't serve a DESK is no desktop environment.
(e.g. Gnome can serve n windows/peepHoles/boxes, but they are separated and don't add to one desk)

I use a blank Fvwm2 plus a modified popup FvwmPager. No taskbar blocking my way (background-click/MenuKey popup menu suffices). The taskbar is a microsofty BS marketing invention, made for the beginner who can't find the background menu(s) after 10s of not-trying.

A DESK is an arbitrarily big workspace where to open windows at arbitrary positions (not in peepHoles/boxes like with windoze, gnome, kde, etc.). The pager is used to move the view around and to have an overview of the whole desk (with all its 100 non-minimized non-overlapping spread out windows...) This is just like the good old desk known since centuries, but lost to modern programmers... Would you maximize/minimize your papers and books all day long, and have your desk divided into small boxes (where an XXL paper won't fit into)?

From Wikipedia

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The first known implementation of the taskbar concept is seen in Acorn's Arthur operating system, which was released in 1987 for their Archimedes computer. It is called the Iconbar and remains an essential part of Arthur's succeeding RISC OS operating system.

PatrickNew · 02-19-2008, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by schnexel

A DESK is an arbitrarily big workspace where to open windows at arbitrary positions

Odd, my local furniture store seems to limit me in this manner. The largest desk I was able to find was the deluxe wrap-around-the-corner model, and it was total 12 feet long. I want one of these arbitrarily resizable desks.

I agree that a "taskbar" doesn't fit in perfectly with the metaphor of a desk, but if you're going to be a stickler for the model, then you would need to come up with a way to metaphor shuffling the order of papers. OS X has this - it's the funny thing that it does when you squeeze the two buttons on the side of the mouse. I think that actually works rather well.

schnexel · 02-20-2008, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by PatrickNew

you would need to come up with a way to metaphor shuffling the order of papers.

Last time I tried the Gnome I indeed had to use the taskbar for this. On my Fvwm2 I just klick the right mouse button at a window's title bar to get those hidden behind it to the top. (Dunno, but I guess, it is implemented mathematically sufficient to get arbitrary permutations of stacking order...) I need that basic feature quite often, for I like Auto Raise Windows mode (raise when mouse over it for >333ms), and many f'n apps can't keep their little message windows on top in that mode (most c21st programmers seem to not know about such an advanced WM/DE feature...).

schnexel · 02-20-2008, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by PatrickNew

Odd, my local furniture store seems to limit me in this manner. The largest desk I was able to find was the deluxe wrap-around-the-corner model, and it was total 12 feet long. I want one of these arbitrarily resizable desks.

For upsizing the desk, buy another one and put it beside the old one(s)

fyanardi · 02-21-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by deepclutch

Voted for Gnome as for the past 2 years does.I am a long time Gnome user and feels that simplicity is the best thing.I can work without caring for additional options which are 1000's in no.s as kde does.

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Kde fails IMHO in terms of usability.Kde is for people who are not having any jobs,just want to tinker the useless "extra" configurations!

While Gnome lets u work on the PC without wasting time for those "extra" crap :evil:

Regarding Eyecandy:

By default Kde wins in eye candy dept.it is a direct rip-off of windows taskbar which is Kde's kicker.windows users finds home with kde.but the problem is,we are using GNU/Linux and NOT windows!so n00b linux users may be comfortable looking at the eyecandy and kicker.but..when it comes to usability,kde fails(kde3 esp).

Kde4 is really a feast of eye-candy!I tried the livecd and dont know how much memory does it eats,but for sure more time than kde3.x!also dolphin FM(nautilus lookalike!) looks promising!i hates this IE+win explorer like konqueror browser which also serves as FM with lots of glitches.so,dolphin fills the void!.

Still after Kde4 also,I and many feels better in Gnome!nautilus aint annoying as it is used to back in 2.4 versions!from Gnome-2.12 onwards, Gnome is slowly growing without much noises as kdeboys make!

Gnome DE and GTK2+ is the option for me!

LOL, seems that every time KDE is mentioned you copy and paste the same thing over and over again (I still remember your post in last year LinuxQuestions.org members choice DE of the year, ubuntuforum, etc etc)

I still choose KDE after more than 6 years

I'm a programmer as well, and I prefer KDE/Qt over Gnome/GTK+ as I'm not smart enough to understand all the complicated things in Gnome/GTK+. I have a friend who was assigned a project to do some programming for Evolution with Bonobo, I recalled that he had severe headache understanding all the GNOME/GTK+ stuffs plus Bonobo LOL...

I also like KDE because of its integration, you can open .pdf, .ps, .dvi, .doc, .xls, .odt, in konqueror (example use case: you search document in Google and open it in new Konqueror tab and few more seconds the document will be ready in another tab). Can you imagine opening a .doc using OpenOffice.org embedded in Firefox in Linux? It'd be double memory hog for my poor tiny little laptop (even though I think it is not possible to do so)

I have nothing against GNOME, in fact sometimes I start GNOME as well. So please stop trolling

deepclutch · 02-21-2008, 01:53 PM

well,as I predicted the result came and Gnome is nearing Kde in popularity

b1f30 · 02-21-2008, 03:12 PM

GNOME.

I'm actually working on a GNOME 'HOWTO' site. It's got all your answers for all the stuff that's hidden.

I don't knock KDE - it's an amazing piece of software. Just doesn't do it for me.

kilgoretrout · 02-22-2008, 11:42 AM

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well,as I predicted the result came and Gnome is nearing Kde in popularity

How do you figure that - kde beat gnome 52% to 36% ?? IIRC gnome did better last year. And inexplicably, the most gnome-centric distro around, ubuntu, easily walked away with the best distro honors.

DragonSlayer48DX · 02-23-2008, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kilgoretrout

How do you figure that - kde beat gnome 52% to 36% ?? IIRC gnome did better last year. And inexplicably, the most gnome-centric distro around, ubuntu, easily walked away with the best distro honors.

Yes... In fact, IIRC, Gnome actually won by a notable margin last year, possibly because of the outbreak of Windows-to-Ubuntu converts in 06/07. (I was one)

btw- Did anyone here go by the username "os12bfree" on Yahoo message boards in 06/07?

nirvan5a · 02-23-2008, 11:09 PM

I'm beginner of linux, but i have some experience. Last summer i bought toshiba laptop. i like the ubuntu but it can't support for some drivers, mandriva is supporting my all drivers. working so good. i can't choose kde or gnome ?
Still confusing ?
Any advice?

DragonSlayer48DX · 02-24-2008, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by nirvan5a

I'm beginner of linux, but i have some experience. Last summer i bought toshiba laptop. i like the ubuntu but it can't support for some drivers, mandriva is supporting my all drivers. working so good. i can't choose kde or gnome ?
Still confusing ?
Any advice?

Actually, yes, you can install and use whichever DE you want, or install and try them all with any Linux distro. Freedom of choice is what Linux is all about.

Cheers