Use the sftp or fish protocol in the upload dialog.

Quanta+ :)

0.7 is out and is a lot better ;)

Emacs. Of course.

nvu best one i've tried

*votes for KEdit* ;)

sorry but for me I aint kidding
the best HTML code editor is Kwrite

it has the widest range of code-highlighting (more than bluefish)
it has collapse-expand notes .. and other stuff

true it doesn't have say - an inbuilt ftp client
bluefish is cute but annoying
screem makes me do the same
quanta+ keeps losing windows
both these two are too visually complex
NVU is Mozilla Composer with pretty icons
2 years hardly any comparable progress -
ie compare how Firefox evolved Mozilla extremely fast.

ginf : I've never heard of it .. so i will check it out :)

Quanta.

It is the only software (along with the fish:// kio_slave) I *really* miss when I'm stuck on windows at work.

I am really looking forward to seeing the next generation with integration into kdevelop. Hopefully this will mean we'll have visual Object representation and class member autocompletion :P

Oh and for all those old-school types saying vi... you CAN use the embedded VIM KPART into Kate (the quanta editing component) so it should make you feel at home :)

Out of the options, I've only used Quanta, which I like very much. But I still just use Kate for HTML editing most of the time.

Quanta!

Bobby

I would have to go with Bluefish & Mozilla Composer

elite teenagers? =)~ we elite old folks wrote kate and notepad for you l33t kids

Quanta is super handy and overall got my vote. Otherwise for barebones stuff I use Emacs. I can write html, compile my LaTeX stuff, and it even recognizes the syntax from stuff like MATLAB.

Bluefish :)

mozilla composer

ark! Where's vi on the poll?

Quanta..!! the best!!

the second maybe screem..

Quanta+
 

Quanta+ is my choice for web developing.

It's a tie...
 

IMO, my preferred Web page editor is Bluefish, as I have been using that editor to maintain Cybernightlife (I used Advanced Web Editor for OS/2 before I migrated to Linux back in December 1998). Quanta Plus ties with Bluefish as far as web page editor of the year, for its ease of use, on the fly previewing, and the ability to handle PHP.

I prefer Bluefish as it allows the most control over how my pages look and how they are formatted. Bluefish has better CSS support than QuantaPlus, as I prefer to use a single stylesheet as opposed to embedding CSS in all HTML pages.

Where's gphpedit?

PhpEclipse?

I can't stand bluefish'es highlighting syntax. phpEclipse I love for it's project management. I love gphpedit, because it's minimalist, the syntax highlighting is awesome, and it has JUST ENOUGH features that it's enough to keep me from using nano, but it doesn't have so many it takes 5 minutes to load.

i haven't found any good web development editor
may be all need to improve:(
i use oo.org or sometimes mozilla composer
i don't use them very ofen

quanta crash to much. Looking I found screem!!!

Quanta+ - definitely.
there is nothing comparable out there - e.g.
just consider the integrated php-debugger (gubed) !

What about jEdit (from jedit.org)? As a developer, I've been using it for about 5 years now.
Yes, I know it's in the "editor" poll, but it should be here also.

Quanta +

Nothing comes close, i've converted like 4 people over to linux plainly on the thoery that nothing is anywhere near. People use vi and pretend there cool but the truth is that it doesn't do anything for them only syntax highlight. Quanta is a tool for making proper websites it makes anything else look like a baby's tool.

I vote for Dreamweaver MX (using Crossover office or something..)

One of the biggest complaints about screem is that it crashes too much though :) Hopefully it will get more than last years 4% of the vote though.

Congrats to the Quanta team.

Let's hope even more cool stuff will be added this year! :)

Just as an FYI - those were the unaudited results and should not have been visible. The official results will be available in a couple days.

--jeremy

Bluefish
 

Bluefish still the fastest and best!!
cheers
Bob

:)

Re: It's a tie...
 

That's interesting. I used EPM on OS/2 and migrated in 1999. As far as your review of Quanta though I wonder what version you're running. I also suspect you haven't found a lot of things in Quanta. Hopefully you found the Ctrl-Space function auto complete for PHP. I don't know about Bluefish CSS support but I do know about Quanta's and I doubt it's better.

As of version 3.3 (version 3.4 is in beta and the support in 3.2 was limited because it was only from the "Other" toolbar) Quanta+ supports CSS as follows:

• CSS auto completion for inline style
• auto completion of selectors
• dialog based editing of selectors and on page selector listing
• dialog based editing of a cascading style sheet
• auto complete in a CSS file
• CSS dialog launch from the attribute editor
• CSS dialog launch from the tag dialog
• common CSS tasks on the main toolbar
• a Style toolbar which includes a span and div tag

Note that while the CSS dialogs are viewed as one they are actually several context sensitive dialogs. These have CSS-2 support and as tag data is read from an XML file they can be updated to new standards easily. Earlier versions of Quanta were tied to on page CSS editing but now you can do a lot more.

It is difficult to imagine how Quanta could handle CSS much better... without designing pages in your sleep. ;) Actually we are working on direct manipulation of CSS in visual mode too fr 4.0.

Re: Re: It's a tie...
 

you people see this man... this man is a god. he is responisble for the reason im happy in my job and why i run linux and make more people happy by turning them. quanta isnt a web development tool it should have its a way of life.

i mean i code the style sheet with

#footer {bla bla} and it knows when i go <div id=" to suggest footer. Its just splendid in everyway. No other tools should be on this list because they just don't come close.

the only thing quanta could do better for css is work the other way round.. but i have know doubt thats on a feature list somewhere. i read the mailing list every day and every day they commit something into cvs. its a pleasure using your editor sir. =)

but what he is saying is that quanta doesn't do is sugest these things from linked style sheets only embedded ones. I think at least.

Re: Re: Re: It's a tie...
 

Okay... enough... I'm blushing already. ;)

It is difficult to imagine how Quanta could handle CSS much better... without designing pages in your sleep. ;)



But!

Bluefish is, clean, fast and stable.
and css is a dream to do!
Laters
Bob
;)

maybe but quanta is not only got a better logo its got a much better dom tree, it works on the dtd you are and tells you when you are putting tags in the wrong place or order. it has tidy intergration is has php varible and object sugestion its got bloody everything you need to create websites. php debugger, the project thing is just great and more to the point its got a cooler name =)

Reality Check
 

I may have said it already but Quanta has this category wrapped up. If you are voting for bluefish then you either a) don't like KDE/QT and simply will not vote for an application made with those tools, b) have not tried out Quanta anytime recently, c) tried it out but didn't actually check-out all of its functionality. There is simply NO functionality in bluefish that is superior to that in Quanta!

If you want WYSIWYG HTML development then you could make an argument for NVU or Composer; but bluefish is not even in the same league as Quanta.

Re: Reality Check
 

Now I know why!!
I'm a Gnome guy!!, so I guess quanta's out!!
Must be that ' looks like XP thing'
But hey, If it rings the bell! enjoy

Cheers
Bob :D

Wow!
 

To everyone who voted for Quanta many thanks. This is tremendously meaningful to me as it represents a popular endorsement from a cross section of Linux users. Also I think Jeremy deserves kudos for his efforts in making a web poll that is carefully and credibly managed. Thanks for your hard work Jeremy. The last two years were close and we lost two years ago. I was surprised how close it was, but this year it looks decisive. I hope that in coming years we can see results like this for web developers in polls not exclusive to Linux. That's my goal.

What else can I say? Bob, did you check out how fast and clean Quanta is? ;) Looks like XP? Puh-lease. I had to boot XP the other day and it sucks next to KDE. The cool thing is that you have so many tools to choose from on Linux... But if you want to win a Windows web developer who is doing PHP on Dreamweaver over to Linux, whatever you're running, make sure to show them Quanta. ;) How many desktop Linux apps are itching to go head to head with the commercial Windows flagship products?

Bring us your Windows web developers, yearning to be free... Happy web developing everyone!

Re: Re: Reality Check
 

Not necessarily!! I'm running Quanta in XFCE with no problems... (Helps to have KDE installed on the machine, though ;) ) As a matter of fact, I was running in Gnome till I switched to XFCE...

Just had to clear that up :D

Well, I'd never use Quanta, maybe it's got some nice features, but I don't need them. Normally I use gedit for xhtml, php, css, mysql, I've tried bluefish, but I thought the window was too large, and the application too unstable. I've actually never seen gedit crash!

The current CVS version of Quanta is even better than the previous versions. It's truly the best web development tool for me.

Re: Re: Re: Reality Check
 

HI
Now thats sounds good! I've just started playing with XFCE, its nice and fast!!
A change on the way me thinks

cheers
Bob :p

Quanta
 

The only thing comparable to Quanta in the Windoze world, IMO, is Html-kit. Although Quanta seems to have better project management features.

Dreamweaver is an excellent product, but it's overrated sometimes. Still, I'm glad no-one mentioned the KING of all web dev editors: FRONTPAGE!! </bitter sarcasm> (of course we all know FP is only good for making websites that appear here: http://www.worstoftheweb.com/ )

nVu seems decent but I never liked the way it uses inline styles so much... that's such a waste of bandwidth and problematic for re-usability!

If you guys can get that realized, then you are my GODS... I mean it! Q: will it offer some kind of 'grid' mode where you can visually design the structure (position) of your CSS, after which you can then add colors/graphics/... and content?

IMhO, that would make it the most powerful and high-quality Html Dev. Editor out there.

Re: Quanta
 

Perceptions of Quanta I think vary with how far you go into it. For instance, using HTML-kit can you open an XML file with a DTD you've never seen, import the DTD on the fly and immediately begin auto completing with real time structural validation? Will it generate tags rigidly specific to XHTML 1.0 strict, or XHTML 1.1? I seriously doubt it because this functionality is typically the domain of Java XML tools and legacy Windows HTML tools don't have the infrastructure. Here's another question for your Windows editor. Can you make any file or project action trigger a custom (visually) built dialog which can perform script actions or process files in the editor? Again, Kommander and DCOP can't be matched, though Dreamweaver does have some tools that are close.

nVu gets some press for their promotion. Initially they said they wanted to be FrontPage on Linux. Seriously, this is their target... visually drawn amorphous HTML. Their initial announcements looked like they never heard of us because they said they were the most powerful editor on Linux and they they were going to be the first to ship WYSIWYG. In fact our VPL (Visual Page Layout) enabled version shipped in 3.1 final months before their initial release. (Admittedly the first effort was a lot of work and as such was not very good and barely acceptable for release, but it was first.) I emailed them informing them of factual problems with their bold claims and they changed it. I checked their site and I noticed there was not even a document declaration declared. I admit our site is out of date and ugly and I'm building a new site now, but even today while they declare 4.01 transitional they set style in the body tag and use the font tag everywhere with heavy use of tables. They may as well declare HTML 3.2 because it's very transitional. FrontPage goals met? Try to edit compliant XHTML 1.0 transitional or strict with it. I seriously doubt this will even happen without a major overhaul.

Years ago Jono Bacon was working on Kafka for WYSIWYG on KDE and in conversations I told him that it lacked infrastructure and we would add a visual mode to Quanta only after we were able to do it right. He later wrote me that he was happy to say my vision was right. Quanta's VPL uses styling now and does not mangle your document, changing only the nodes it edits. It also has split mode. I really think nVu is on target for an unsophisticated audience but is not a serious tool, even though I do think they have some very interesting ideas in addition to their backwards legacy HTML view.

Currently you will note that VPL is very slightly different from real preview. For one thing it shows icons now for PHP code but because we have all the trees and access with Gubed and project preview that may change too. ;) Anyway there are visual indications for tables and edit areas. I don't honestly use it that much because I do so much PHP but Nicolas never put a context sensitive interface in because I guess with the language differences he didn't get what I was saying at the time. Moura currently is developing for a year full time as part of his college studies, and Nicolas may do this too. Moura has added context menus for tables for 3.4 already. Currently you can select text and using the Attribute Editor move to the tag containing it or a parent tag and invoke the CSS dialogs for inline style. You can also choose CSS selectors for the class. What we are planning is to be able to select an object and directly manipulate it. For instance right click and from a div menu set alignment and such. Suppose a block element is absolutely positioned. By dragging it the position coordinates would pop up and display in real time as you move it.

All of this will take some exploration for the best UI, but we have several guys who will be on this with serious time as well as several developers on KHTML coordinating. In addition to this we are targeting XML/CSS, XSLT on the fly layer and limited PHP loop and logic support for VPL. My objective by version 4 of KDE and Quanta is to be the undisputed winner in a shootout with Dreamweaver or any other Windows editor. We are also looking to extend our project support, team development tools and add the ability to create interface and access profiles for tasks and roles. Oh, and there will be a messaging and annotation service built in and managed with the project repository. In addition to this Kommander will be mature and enabled even easier point and click interface creation. Using KNewStuff it will be easy to share visual extentions for Quanta and it will be easy for teams to enable their own private resource repositories.

Without a doubt, and I haven't even gotten to the object template construction interface that is in discussion between developers. I think for many if not most web developers version 3.3 and 3.4 will win the shootout with their favorite Windows tools. My objective is that by 2006 and 2007 comparisons with professional Windows tools are total mind exploding no brainers with the obvious conclusion that remaining on Windows is costing the web development team a minimum 10%-30% more time and vastly limiting their control and ability to produce a quality product.

I invite people who are interested to help us achieve that by coding, donating or sponsoring (we have two sponsored developers) and getting involved with our resource repositories we will be working on by clicking the "upload" menu item when you have developed a cool template or toolbar.

Re: Re: Quanta
 

Can I use it in Gnome of will I need XFCE?
Cheers
Bob

Re: Re: Re: Quanta
 

Quanta relies on heavy code reuse including it's editor part, preview and visual component and a lot of classes. That's why we can do so much. Quanta exists in the kdewebdev package in KDE. To run it on GNOME or XFCE you need Qt and kdelibs, and of course the kdewebdev package. In addition to Quanta kdewebdev includes an XSL debugger, visual link checker, image map editor and Kommander. Kommander visually builds dialogs that can work with any scripting language or create functionality with a point and click function browser and internal DCOP functions. It integrates with user programmable Actions for editor interaction and project and template actions. Quanta actually uses several Kommander dialogs, like HTML Quick start and will use Kommander more in the future. Kommander is handy for any quick do it yourself admin tool or interface to a program.

If you want to integrate a visual CVS interface and use a built in visual diff program you need the kdesdk package which also gives you UML. Cervisia is the CVS interface and it is split into the visual component and a nonvisual DCOP interface to a CVS service process. Quanta uses this interface and version 3.2 can commit and update directly from the project context menus. It can also run Cervisia in a file tab as a plug in. In the upcoming 3.4 many more CVS commands are integrated and when Cervisia handles Subversion this will be transparently inherited. The recovery routine makes use of the Kompare visual diff program as an option if newer backup files are found on startup. Crashes are rare but backups make sense. When several people discovered a rare delete bug in 3.1.4 and wiped out a project we showed them where to find all their backups and they restored almost all their work. ;) If you have Tidy it also integrates by default in the main toolbars.

I should mention that if you are not using CVS you don't know what you're missing. Even if you're the only developer you still get the security of rollback and snapshots as well as setting release tags to manage a site. Setting up CVS on your system only takes a couple commands in the shell and you're done. There is a complete tutorial for CVS and Cervisia here.
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6096

Enjoy! :)

and he said all of that in just one breath!

It seems that the longer ones hair gets, the more one has to say ;)

Keep up the good work Eric and the team - congrats :D

I think it's time i donated again...... (even tho you dont appear to have broken your car!)

Joff :D

Thanks Eric
 

Eric,

you must understand the last version of Quanta I used was the version included in Mandrake 9.2... which had a bug which would make it crash at a certain action. However, even then I could see the potential of this application. When I hear you talking about the project, it seems Quanta has come a Looooong way since then.

I tried to install it again with the RPM from the Novell site (ATM I'm running SuSe 9.1 Pro). Surprise, it crashed again! Of course I don't blame Quanta, just wanted to say that I didn't have the opportunity to try out the latest Quanta. I'll probably buy SuSe 9.3, rumored to be out around April, which will likely include one of the latest Quanta versions.

I guess my affection for Html-Kit is, because it learned me writing Html and CSS code. *Good* code. I'm still grateful to the little, ugly app, which taught me and made me aware why good code matters.

There are a few reasons why I don't use Dreamweaver a lot although I have a license at work. Most important reason is that Dreamweaver's CSS rendering engine screws up our (fully standards-compliant, valid Xhtml 1.1 Transitional and CSS2.0) website, not 4.0 and not MX. This makes it really hard to work in 'layout mode', since the screen is messed up. This is also exactly the reason why we cannot use MM Contribute, which suffers from the same problem. Well, that and it does not allow a sufficient level of control and importing of custom templates (e.g. you HAVE to use Dreamweaver templates).

Your 'object templates' (or what was it called) sound very interesting.

Anyway, I wish you good luck with the project and hope you will never loose the enthusiasm and ambition for Quanta you are currently showing in your posts.

Cheers,

Darkelve