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View Poll Results: Browser of the Year
Mozilla 348 26.67%
Mozilla Firebird 500 38.31%
Opera 154 11.80%
Konqueror 177 13.56%
Lynx 14 1.07%
Netscape 15 1.15%
Galeon 62 4.75%
Epiphany 35 2.68%
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Old 11-26-2003, 08:13 PM   #76
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I'm with you crashmeister. I couldn't care less about infernal politics. At this time, Firebird IS a browser, and it IS a seperate entity from the standard Mozilla browser. It is all I use as well. If it somehow becomes part of the classic Mozilla, and takes away from the interface I have come to love in Firebird, I'll just use whatever latest tarball I have and keep it the way it is. I don't really like Mozilla (standard). Hopefully when they merge it will be for the better though I tried a lot of web browsers for the linux platform before I found one I liked, and it IS Firebird.

All this crap about how it shouldn't be included in the poll is just nit-picking over semantics, and is already overly-stated in this thread.

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Old 11-27-2003, 01:51 AM   #77
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I'm with you crashmeister. I couldn't care less about infernal politics. At this time, Firebird IS a browser, and it IS a seperate entity from the standard Mozilla browser. It is all I use as well. If it somehow becomes part of the classic Mozilla, and takes away from the interface I have come to love in Firebird, I'll just use whatever latest tarball I have and keep it the way it is. I don't really like Mozilla (standard). Hopefully when they merge it will be for the better though I tried a lot of web browsers for the linux platform before I found one I liked, and it IS Firebird.

All this crap about how it shouldn't be included in the poll is just nit-picking over semantics, and is already overly-stated in this thread.
But WHY should Mozilla maintain TWO browsers.
I have no objections to the new version - as long as I can still 'Open in new tab' from an incoming eMail.
The new browser is nice but until it restores some of the missing features - WHICH WILL NOT MAKE IT BLOATED AGAIN - I am stuck with the current version.

Like you I am stuck with versions of the product that do what I want, and hopefully this poll will help indicate to Mozilla that THEY need to get their act together and get back to the promised single product. There should only be one Mozilla browser.
 
Old 11-27-2003, 06:29 AM   #78
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Are you kidding?
as far as I am concerned there is Mozilla and Firebird.Whoever maintains those does so by his/hers/it's own discretion.
I don't care (and so does probably nobody else) if it is called firebird or the flying houdini.What do I care about is a browser that does what I want.If that happens to be maintained by whoever chooses to do that it's fine with me,too.
Mozilla can have as many projects as they like to for all I care.I don't have any saying there but if you feel the need to get them back on track you should probably talk to the mozilla people about it - just email them and post the reply please.
 
Old 11-27-2003, 08:08 AM   #79
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Like you I am stuck with versions of the product that do what I want, and hopefully this poll will help indicate to Mozilla that THEY need to get their act together and get back to the promised single product. There should only be one Mozilla browser.
That's a pretty pretentious statement. After looking at the numbers of people that chose Firebird as the browser of the year, you are obviously in the minority of people who think there should only be ONE Mozilla browser. Two browsers=more choice, and since at the current time those 2 browsers (individually, mind you) make up 60% of the votes a lot of people seem to enjoy having that choice to make. Matter 'o fact, I just skimmed through all the pages in this thread and you are the ONLY person to have this view in here (stated over and over...). One other guy mentioned the "there is no firebird" thing. This was his only post at LQ, just one.

Fact is, Mozilla AND Mozilla Firebird are 2 extremely popular web browsers for Linux and Windows users alike, and if this poll convinces the Mozilla developers of anything, it would likely be to keep these 2 projects seperate.

IMHO any features added on top of Firebird would make it bloated (like the standard Mozilla). That is why I and many others use it. There are hundreds of extentions you can download/install if you would like to see more 'features' in your browser. Some very cool ones too. But for me, it-does-all-I-need.

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Old 11-27-2003, 08:15 AM   #80
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...if this poll convinces the Mozilla developers of anything, it would likely be to keep these 2 projects seperate...
I sure hope so. If people like Firebird, great. I like mozilla myself, and was really annoyed about the shift in the project. But 1.4 was supposedly the last and I'm running 1.6 alpha. I like the idea of the 'full' and 'lite' mozilla. But I wouldn't be surprised if they did eventually drop mozilla. Maybe by that time, dillo will be mature. Hey, if you're gonna be light, be *light*.
 
Old 11-29-2003, 02:28 AM   #81
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Firebird all the way - while I use Konqueror now and then just for its feel.
 
Old 11-29-2003, 08:36 AM   #82
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opera !!!!
 
Old 11-30-2003, 12:09 AM   #83
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I wouldn't be surprised if they did eventually drop mozilla. Maybe by that time, dillo will be mature. Hey, if you're gonna be light, be *light*.
Wow. That is definitely lite! I hadn't heard of Dillo before so naturally I had to google it up after you mentioned it. Firebird is about as lite as I wanna get Sounds like Dillo might be worth a shot though maybe when it reaches 1.0. A browser is a pretty complicated thing. Thats why I'm glad the people at Mozilla decided to release a different flavor of their work because I have some confidence in their experience/ability. They've been at it awhile and leading the way. Makes me feel a little safer when shopping online, paying some bills, or any other task that requires tighter security. Then of course, just functioning properly at the majority of websites is always a plus

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Old 11-30-2003, 12:47 AM   #84
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Yeah - what there is of dillo is really solid but it's definitely not all there yet. It's great for browsing local html, though, like docs and so on. I'm not sure how much they intend to ultimately implement or how small and fast it will be on down the road, but it'll be interesting to see.
 
Old 11-30-2003, 01:01 AM   #85
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Thats a good idea... Using it for local docs and stuff. It would definitely be fast. I might try it out like that for a bit. I been using the gentoo filemanager in both slack and gentoo cause I hated to use konqueror or nautilus in fluxbox. Gentoo fm is pretty cool, but now I spent so much time managing files from a shell to avoid konq I find I barely need it. Seemed like anytime I fired up konq it played hell on flux settings, let alone nautilus, blah.
 
Old 11-30-2003, 01:15 AM   #86
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Yeah, I use gentoo, too, but use aterm as often as not. Don't even have konqueror or nautilus (or the rest of gnome or kde) on this box anymore. If you do use gentoo and dillo, you can change the default action on html to integrate them which is nicer than the lynx dump or whatever it did by default.
 
Old 11-30-2003, 01:17 AM   #87
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# emerge dillo
completed.

I'm really starting to like Gentoo
 
Old 11-30-2003, 01:25 AM   #88
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Ah, where's the fun in that?

Nah, I have been rearranging hard drives and operating systems. Now I've got lots of room and lots of redundancy, so I think I'm going to give some stuff a whirl - probably LFS, maybe a BSD, and definitely Gentoo.
 
Old 11-30-2003, 01:28 AM   #89
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It's definitely worth trying Gentoo. It's very similar to Slack, so not too hard to get around in. When done from stage 1, it's almost like LFS- there will be nothing on your system you don't want to be. The portage system is actually a very extensive feature so lots of stuff to play with. That, and it's fassssst!
 
Old 11-30-2003, 01:33 AM   #90
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Hm. I feel like we might somehow be getting off topic. I've been reading about LFS and really only glanced at the Gentoo stuff so far - the thing that I wonder about with Gentoo is how the install goes - I mean, your machine would be pretty much tied up for a long time, right? With LFS, I had the idea I could build a bit and take a break and so on. With Gentoo I got the idea that once you started you pretty much couldn't do anything else until you were done.
 
  


 


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