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Old 02-28-2021, 08:41 AM   #16
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I suggest you ask at the FreeBSD forums.
Maybe not. There is a certain contingent at the FreeBSD forums who think Linux is somehow inferior and using FreeBSD makes them l33t. If you ask such a question you will get lots of attention from that contingent (and biased opinions), while normal users won't get much involved.
 
Old 02-28-2021, 11:22 AM   #17
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You may also find the following link interesting: http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/01
That's interesting. Also some simple pages to parse. If the OP wants a text version of that, in case it goes away.

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agent="Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.1; Win64; x64; rv:82.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/82.0"

curl -A "$agent" http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/[01-11] -O

for i in {01..11}; do
    echo -e "\n\n---Page "$i"---\n\n" >> bsd4linux.txt
    
    #Choose your poison
    html2text "$i" >> bsd4linux.txt
    
    #lynx -dump -nolist >> bsd4linux.txt
    
    #sed -e 's/<[^>]*>//g' "$i" >> bsd4linux.txt
    
    #w3m -dump "$i" >> bsd4linux.txt
done
 
Old 02-28-2021, 05:32 PM   #18
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Maybe not. There is a certain contingent at the FreeBSD forums who think Linux is somehow inferior and using FreeBSD makes them l33t. If you ask such a question you will get lots of attention from that contingent (and biased opinions), while normal users won't get much involved.
And this is unbiased?

"Contingents" always exist. Better information/opinions on FreeBSD is to be found there...
 
Old 02-28-2021, 07:07 PM   #19
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And this is unbiased?
What is unbiased? They have already plenty of threads on this topic there, starting one more won't reveal anything new. Has nothing to do with bias.
 
Old 03-01-2021, 03:39 AM   #20
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Well I must respectfully disagree.

Your comment could be construed as being as biased as those you accuse of bias. (I was not suggesting posting a new thread at the FreeBSD forums. But the OP can search and read any of the umpteen million threads on the subject...)

I would not dismiss the site based on a "contingent", that was my point. For information about FreeBSD, the official forums are a better source than this one. Just as this site is a better source for information / help relating to Linux than say, some MS Windows forum.

Also the "contingent" are not so active over there as you might imagine. Linux bashing has gotten old, and the veterans who post there have no interest in participating in it.

There are a few grumpy old types, who will express some what you might term "anti Linux sentiment", but many of these are also highly skilled professionals and veteran FreeBSD users and lumping them into the "l33t" category is a bit of a generalisation.

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Old 03-01-2021, 07:41 AM   #21
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I would say hardware support (one of the biggest reasons Linux has never been able to put a dent in Windows desktop popularity). The last time I tried to install FreeBSD I had no wireless (Intel AX200), incorrect resolution on the LCD (AMD Vega 11 on 1080P). They might be supported at this point...but when I tried they weren't, and they were supported out of the box in Linux.
 
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Old 03-01-2021, 08:20 AM   #22
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One may also mention about PC-BSD which was created for PC desktops but has now been withdrawn.
Used PC-BSD and liked it very much.
Stopped using it when the name was changed to TrueOS. It wasn't too long after that, that the project was discontinued.

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Old 03-01-2021, 08:29 AM   #23
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Used PC-BSD and liked it very much.
Stopped using it when the name was changed to TrueOS. It wasn't too long after that, that the project was discontinued.
THAT was one of the dumbest changes of name I've ever heard of. Change the name from something that describes EXACTLY what it's for (running BSD on a PC) and instead change it to some esoteric name that has nothing to do with anything. GREAT idea there!!
 
Old 03-01-2021, 08:31 AM   #24
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THAT was one of the dumbest changes of name I've ever heard of. Change the name from something that describes EXACTLY what it's for (running BSD on a PC) and instead change it to some esoteric name that has nothing to do with anything. GREAT idea there!!
Yep! Couldn't agree more! Dumb and dumber....
 
Old 03-01-2021, 09:16 AM   #25
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IX went from PC-BSD, to TrueOS, to cutting loose the desktop elements of TrueOS, to renaming FreeNAS to TrueNAS, to offering Linux based TrueNAS, to abandoning TrueOS (and effectively FreeBSD)last year...

The desktop part of TrueOS was spun off as "Trident" in 2018. A supposedly "community" maintained fork, but with IX people heavily involved. The following year Trident announced it would abandon TrueOS/FreeBSD and rebase on Void Linux.

They (IX) were also instrumental in merging FreeBSD's Illumos based ZFS implementation into OpenZFS / ZoL back in 2018...

Connect the dots and "follow the money"... it was clear to me at least 2 1/2 years ago that IX are/were laying the ground works for abandoning FreeBSD.

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Old 03-01-2021, 10:02 AM   #26
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I am wondering why FreeBSD is less popular than Linux. Thanks for your insight.
I have used FreeBSD in the past; I started with 5.x. These days I run OpenBSD. One of the reasons FreeBSD is less popular than Linux is that media streaming for Netflix and other companies doesn't work with BSD.
 
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FreeBSD isn't focused on being a desktop OS, it is a server OS. I've used both.
Something that has not been mentioned is the update mechanism.
https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/ha...-freebsdupdate

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After a major version upgrade, all installed packages and ports need to be upgraded.
I guess that I am spoiled with pacman -Syu. It is still convoluted. After a major version update, everything has to be re-installed.
 
Old 03-02-2021, 04:47 AM   #28
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I have no trouble with freebsd-update and pkg when upgrading, but yes the process is not as straightforward as what you will see in a typical Linux distribution - this is partially due to the separation of base system and ports of course.
 
Old 03-02-2021, 10:38 AM   #29
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FreeBSD isn't focused on being a desktop OS, it is a server OS. I've used both.
Agreed. I've also used both. Linux is a much more popular server operating system than FreeBSD.
 
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FreeBSD is still BSD while Linux is not Unix anymore.
 
  


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