LinuxQuestions.org
Visit Jeremy's Blog.
Go Back   LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Other *NIX Forums > *BSD
User Name
Password
*BSD This forum is for the discussion of all BSD variants.
FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, etc.

Notices


Reply
  Search this Thread
Old 09-03-2018, 09:58 AM   #16
hitest
Guru
 
Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Prince Rupert, B.C., Canada
Distribution: Slackware, OpenBSD
Posts: 5,587

Rep: Reputation: 1636Reputation: 1636Reputation: 1636Reputation: 1636Reputation: 1636Reputation: 1636Reputation: 1636Reputation: 1636Reputation: 1636Reputation: 1636Reputation: 1636
Smile


Quote:
Originally Posted by jggimi View Post
Daemonforums consists of users helping each other. It is not a support arm of any of the BSDs.
Very true, my friend. But, they have highly experienced end users like you there that can and do offer valuable help on a daily basis.
Daemonforums is an invaluable resource. I'm glad that you're posting here as well.
 
Old 09-03-2018, 02:14 PM   #17
fatmac
Senior Member
 
Registered: Sep 2011
Location: Upper Hale, Surrey/Hants Border, UK
Posts: 2,679

Rep: Reputation: Disabled
Quote:
Daemonforums consists of users helping each other. It is not a support arm of any of the BSDs.
That is very true, but I never said that it was, I suggested that support is available there - like here where people get support for Linux.
 
Old 09-10-2018, 07:40 AM   #18
YesItsMe
Member
 
Registered: Oct 2014
Distribution: Gentoo
Posts: 451

Rep: Reputation: 149Reputation: 149
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatmac View Post
BSD uses GNU software, just as Linux does
This is an entirely false statement.

edit: btw, daemonforums are quite OpenBSD-centric, which is logical as FreeBSD has their own forums and NetBSD is too much of a niche.

Last edited by YesItsMe; 09-10-2018 at 07:42 AM.
 
1 members found this post helpful.
Old 09-10-2018, 09:25 AM   #19
fatmac
Senior Member
 
Registered: Sep 2011
Location: Upper Hale, Surrey/Hants Border, UK
Posts: 2,679

Rep: Reputation: Disabled
The BSDs do use GNU software - they only compile & include the base O/S utilities in their basic offerings.
 
Old 09-10-2018, 09:35 AM   #20
YesItsMe
Member
 
Registered: Oct 2014
Distribution: Gentoo
Posts: 451

Rep: Reputation: 149Reputation: 149
Most of the base operating system in "the BSDs" comes from "the BSDs". The rare cases where GNU utilities are used (like GCC) are sometimes replaced by better alternatives (e.g. FreeBSD uses Clang instead). There is no "GNU/somethingBSD" anymore, for very good reasons. (Debian's "GNU/kFreeBSD" can be considered dead as far as I'm aware.)
 
Old 09-10-2018, 11:43 AM   #21
cynwulf
Senior Member
 
Registered: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,157
Blog Entries: 5

Rep: Reputation: 1212Reputation: 1212Reputation: 1212Reputation: 1212Reputation: 1212Reputation: 1212Reputation: 1212Reputation: 1212Reputation: 1212
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatmac View Post
The BSDs do use GNU software - they only compile & include the base O/S utilities in their basic offerings.
Linux distributions also package software released under permissive BSD, MIT, ISC, etc, etc licences...
 
Old 09-10-2018, 12:28 PM   #22
jggimi
Member
 
Registered: Jan 2016
Distribution: None. Just OpenBSD.
Posts: 168

Rep: Reputation: 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by YesItsMe View Post
The rare cases where GNU utilities are used ...
It's not so rare. The OpenBSD Project, for example, states:
Quote:
For historical reasons, the OpenBSD base system still includes the following GPL-licensed components: the GNU compiler collection (GCC) with supporting binutils and libraries, GNU CVS, GNU texinfo, the mkhybrid file system creation tool, and the readline library. Replacement by equivalent, more freely licensed tools is a long-term desideratum.
As an example of long-term transition, clang is in base and is used in in the build toolchain, however gcc is still a requirement for building the OS on some architectures. OpenBSD is not cross-compiled.*

* Except in the first phase of porting to a new hardware architecture.

Last edited by jggimi; 09-10-2018 at 12:36 PM. Reason: clarity
 
Old 10-04-2018, 08:51 AM   #23
deepclutch
Member
 
Registered: Nov 2004
Distribution: Devuan
Posts: 747
Blog Entries: 1

Rep: Reputation: 34
Doesn't want to create another topic here. But, I'm also looking to switch to BSD (key reason - hates systemd). FreeBSD with latest Gnome 3.x will that work? Firefox Quantum, java plugin, multimedia - how much luck?
 
Old 10-04-2018, 09:09 AM   #24
sevendogsbsd
Member
 
Registered: Sep 2017
Location: Texas
Distribution: Not a distro: FreeBSD
Posts: 414

Rep: Reputation: Disabled
Not sure gnome 3 is available for FreeBSD - might be, but haven't used FreeBSD as a desktop in a couple of years and when I did I used DWM or FLuxbox. Gnome 3 has heavy systemd deps so not sure it would work. This is just a guess though so do your research.

Never had issues with firefox or multimedia on FreeBSD, everything there was fine. My issues were with my video hardware: xorg on FreeBSD was very unhappy with my hardware and I had to give up and go back to Linux. My scanner was a nightmare as well but I eventually got it to work. If everything worked perfectly, I would be running it right now.

Part of what you might encounter are little things that just work in Linux but require more (or a lot) of work in BSD. These are intended to be server OS's so your mileage may vary.
 
1 members found this post helpful.
Old 10-04-2018, 09:34 AM   #25
YesItsMe
Member
 
Registered: Oct 2014
Distribution: Gentoo
Posts: 451

Rep: Reputation: 149Reputation: 149
Quote:
Originally Posted by sevendogsbsd View Post
Not sure gnome 3 is available for FreeBSD
Yup: https://www.freebsd.org/gnome/

Quote:
Originally Posted by sevendogsbsd View Post
xorg on FreeBSD was very unhappy with my hardware and I had to give up and go back to Linux.
FreeBSD regularly imports Linux drivers (or writes their own ones for proprietary drivers, like ath10k).

Quote:
Originally Posted by sevendogsbsd View Post
Part of what you might encounter are little things that just work in Linux but require more (or a lot) of work in BSD.
Most Linux distributions are harder to administer than FreeBSD. NetBSD is a different beast though.
 
Old 10-04-2018, 10:09 AM   #26
sevendogsbsd
Member
 
Registered: Sep 2017
Location: Texas
Distribution: Not a distro: FreeBSD
Posts: 414

Rep: Reputation: Disabled
Saw the gnome 3 info after I posted - hate gnome 3 so not going to use that but OP asked.

It wasn't a driver issue: my display would go into dpms when I dropped out of X and it was unrecoverable. Could not fix no matter what I did. No one on forums could figure out either. Only change is new (certified) DP cable so may re try BSD again. Linux did the same thing on some distros and since new cable this has not repeated.

Admin'ing FreeBSD is very easy, I agree. It's just the set up for desktop use. I may re try BSD - hate to because my current Linux set up is flawless, with the exception of having had to drink the systemd koolaide...
 
Old 10-04-2018, 10:12 AM   #27
YesItsMe
Member
 
Registered: Oct 2014
Distribution: Gentoo
Posts: 451

Rep: Reputation: 149Reputation: 149
I am still trying to move away my FreeBSD computers to OpenBSD (desktop) or (Open)Solaris (server)...
 
Old 10-04-2018, 10:16 AM   #28
sevendogsbsd
Member
 
Registered: Sep 2017
Location: Texas
Distribution: Not a distro: FreeBSD
Posts: 414

Rep: Reputation: Disabled
Quote:
Originally Posted by YesItsMe View Post
I am still trying to move away my FreeBSD computers to OpenBSD (desktop) or (Open)Solaris (server)...
Never tried OpenBSD, only FreeBSD. I have specific software (ports) requirements so would need to compare the two. I've got the FreeBSD install down to 7 minutes so it's not like it takes very long, lol. Getting everything set up to work is what takes me a lot of time: printer, scanner, Nvidia driver, etc.

Might give it a shot this weekend - supposed to rain so nothing else to do
 
Old 10-04-2018, 10:21 AM   #29
YesItsMe
Member
 
Registered: Oct 2014
Distribution: Gentoo
Posts: 451

Rep: Reputation: 149Reputation: 149
The OpenBSD installation process is awesome.
 
1 members found this post helpful.
Old 10-04-2018, 11:32 AM   #30
jggimi
Member
 
Registered: Jan 2016
Distribution: None. Just OpenBSD.
Posts: 168

Rep: Reputation: 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by sevendogsbsd View Post
...Nvidia driver...
You won't like OpenBSD with that hardware. NVIDIA graphics chipsets can only be used in VESA mode on OpenBSD. NVIDIA interfaces and documentation are closed/proprietary, and the OpenBSD Project members will neither sign an NDA nor publish a closed-source module. ("Open" is right there in the name.)

On the plus side, Gnome3 is an extremely simple and easy installation on OpenBSD, as long as the workstation has a video chipset with supported 3D hardware acceleration (Intel / Radeon).

Last edited by jggimi; 10-04-2018 at 11:34 AM. Reason: clarity
 
  


Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Thinking of moving away from Windows mp100 Linux - Newbie 9 09-15-2015 03:38 PM
Thinking in moving to Debian Davh Debian 31 02-10-2012 03:30 PM
Thinking about moving to Slackware, what do I need to know? swalker23 Slackware 11 05-19-2010 10:08 AM
I'm thinking of installing a BSD compgenius999 *BSD 2 01-20-2010 06:56 PM
I'm thinking of moving to a new distro Cyberman Linux - Distributions 4 12-26-2009 04:16 AM

LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Other *NIX Forums > *BSD

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:10 PM.

Main Menu
Advertisement
My LQ
Write for LQ
LinuxQuestions.org is looking for people interested in writing Editorials, Articles, Reviews, and more. If you'd like to contribute content, let us know.
Main Menu
Syndicate
RSS1  Latest Threads
RSS1  LQ News
Twitter: @linuxquestions
Facebook: linuxquestions Google+: linuxquestions
Open Source Consulting | Domain Registration