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Old 10-05-2015, 04:48 PM   #31
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My problem is being jumped on as if I am negative when it was not meant that way. Why would I go to the mailing lists? Just so more people can make assumptions that my comments are malicious and grumble at me? Think like the group, act like the group, say only what the group says, and carry the group's torch or you're scum... Yes, I am already familiar with the open source creed.

As for the topic of this thread... Someone made a GUI front end for something in the command line? So what? Just don't use it if you don't want to.
I have been silently following this thread and thought that maybe I missed something, so I re-re-read it from the OP.

I do not see anyone jumping on anyone else. And no one called anyone scum, please do not infer that they did.

I would concur that you seemed a little too defensive and responded in a defense-of-all-GUIs kind of way, not the topic of this thread. Others responded to that negatively, but not with hostility, and here we are...

But the best on-topic comment IMO was this...

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The fallacy is that GUI package management is actually useful, when in reality it isn't. It isn't secure either, but that's another story.

Packages should be installed from trusted sources and by the root user. GUI package management does not fit the concept well as the root user should not be using the GUI anyway and the user should not be installing packages...
Because some of us still know this as a kind of simple core "truth", the introduction of GUI tools for these uses does indeed provoke a negative reaction - a healthy response to something seen as harmful in this context.
 
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Old 10-05-2015, 07:30 PM   #32
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Because some of us still know this as a kind of simple core "truth", the introduction of GUI tools for these uses does indeed provoke a negative reaction - a healthy response to something seen as harmful in this context.
I'm not sure if this is directed at "all software installation" or the pkg tool in general but... What happens when touch-screen devices need software installed? Are people supposed to drag out the serial cable and tty from a desktop?

What of vm isolated applications? What of scripted installs prepared by an administrator, designed to be requested by the user and yet executed in privilege isolation from the user?

Oh, no... it's all or nothing.
 
Old 10-05-2015, 08:13 PM   #33
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It seems we've been misunderstanding each other on our head-to-head passes. My apologies. I'll have to come back and explain later.
 
Old 10-06-2015, 05:30 AM   #34
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My problem is being jumped on as if I am negative when it was not meant that way.
You're assuming you were jumped on - no one else seems to see it that way.

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Why would I go to the mailing lists? Just so more people can make assumptions that my comments are malicious and grumble at me?
And this is another assumption. I'm not saying you will get grumbled at (though that may indeed be the case), I'm saying that if you reported your wifi issue and complained that Centrino N support is popular and should be supported, you'd probably get a similar reaction. Probably few would accept that drivers for that were more important or relevant than anything else, and few would see pushing FreeBSD onto laptops as that important anyway - some do, it's being worked on and improved all the time - but it's not the primary mission objective of FreeBSD. In fact wifi in general isn't a major priority for any *BSD, but it's starting to catch up. I actually think it's great that people sat down and took the time and effort to develop drivers and port of the WPA stuff - but most, if not all, of the *BSD's do not even have 802.11n support, so that probably says it all. Anyway offtopic...

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As for the topic of this thread... Someone made a GUI front end for something in the command line? So what? Just don't use it if you don't want to.
That's what I said in the first reply. You bumped the thread.

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I'm not sure if this is directed at "all software installation" or the pkg tool in general but... What happens when touch-screen devices need software installed? Are people supposed to drag out the serial cable and tty from a desktop?
They use an "app store", which not really the same thing is it? Android has a clear separation of the base system and the user apps. The apps are running on a virtual machine. I'm sure you know this and I'm not sure why you're trying to equate this to a package manager in a *nix like system? Package management is an administration tool. Android users don't install a new kernel, or upgrade the core system as an 'app' - that's done by connecting the device to a PC and transferring the upgraded OS... so in effect Android users do not administer their Android phones at all.

So yes, while people don't "drag out serial cables", they do have to drag out USB cables and connect the device to a PC. Isn't that the very nature of embedded systems anyway?
 
Old 03-13-2019, 09:22 AM   #35
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The apps are running on a virtual machine. I'm sure you know this and I'm not sure why you're trying to equate this to a package manager in a *nix like system? Package management is an administration tool.
I registered just to ask.
Can you point me out to how to install application on FreeBSD.
I do not want to administrate it, just as user want to install user software.
Thanks.
 
Old 03-13-2019, 09:28 AM   #36
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Can you point me out to how to install application on FreeBSD.
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books...gng-intro.html

The basic command as root is:

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# pkg install packagename
 
  


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