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YOPER 2.1.0.4
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7 19827 12-06-2004
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86% of reviewers None indicated 7.1



Description: Very fast, lightweight distro
Keywords: Desktop i686 fast lightweight kde


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Old 08-27-2004, 09:27 AM   #1
rm6990
 
Registered: Aug 2004
Distribution: SUSE 9.1 Pro and Debian Testing on Server
Posts: 469

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Would you recommend the product? no | Price you paid?: D/L | Rating: 4

Pros: Extremely Fast, Supports DEB RPM and TGZ packages, Uses APT
Cons: Printing Support Sucks, Default resolution is 640x480, had to edit config files to fix this, Kept saying packages were corrupted



I installed this product to triple boot with Fedora Core 2 and Windows XP.

The install process was very straightforward, but it did not install grub to the MBR, even when told to do so. (I was going to enter Fedora into Yoper's grub.conf, I ended up doing it the other way around). I ended up doing the same amount of work, but if this was the only Operating System on the computer, it would be a pain in the ass.

I booted into Yoper, to be confronted by a screen so huge that I couldn't see full Windows. It is even worse than Debian's default 800x600, it was only 640x480. Sax2 (this is SuSE's X server editor, which is also used in Yoper) couldn't even change it, I had to edit the XF86Config file to get it to my 1024x768.

The first thing I went to do was install OpenOffice. Yoper comes with OpenOffice, but only the install program. You have to click on a desktop icon which starts installing OpenOffice into your homefolder. I noticed Java wasn't installed, which is no big deal considering most distros don't come with Java. So I downloaded a Java RPM from java.com, and it said the file was corrupted. So I downloaded just the regular self-extracting file from java.com, and it said it was corrupted. I find this hard to believe since I just installed java into Fedora an hour ago. So I ended up mounting my Fedora partition and manually copying over Java, which made it work. By this point I was very disappointed with the distro.

Ithen tried to set up printing, it had a driver for my printer already installed. The driver, however, didn't work, even though it does in every other distro I have used.

Next, I went to apt to try to download something, I decided on tuxracer to see if it would work. Didn't come up in the search. I tried numerous programs and nothing would come up.

I think a lot of hard work has gone into this distro, and it is coming along nicely, but I think it is ridiculous that this distro is already at v2. It shouldn't even be at v1. Give it a couple more years before trying it.
 
Old 09-01-2004, 02:43 AM   #2
sether
 
Registered: Aug 2004
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Would you recommend the product? yes | Price you paid?: D/L | Rating: 6

Pros: perhaps the fastest distro, fast install, graphical partitioning utility, not an overwhelming amount of software
Cons: not that much faster, slow to boot, maybe not enough software, a bit sloppy


I heard a lot about Yoper and I was eager to try it - they say it's the fastest distro out there so I wanted to see it for myself.

The install is pretty straightforward, and the new graphical partition utility makes it easier than version 1. It installs extremely fast (4 minutes for my system), but I would still appreciate a progress bar or something.

Though it's blazingly fast at everything, for some reason it doesn't seem to boot any faster than other distros, maybe even a lot slower than most. But if you don't turn on and off your computer a lot, it doesn't really matter, because the speed of everything else makes up for it.

People seem to be divided on the issue of software included in linux installs - some want tons of software and others want a minimal install so that they can install their own software and customize their system exactly how they want it. If you're the latter, Yoper is probably good for you.

I was, however, greatly disappointed with the fact that there are no options to select specific software anywhere in the install. If you don't like KDE, too bad, because it's the only desktop environment that comes with Yoper.

I do like how Yoper is minimalist and allows the user to customize it to his or her own liking, but I hate how they preselect all the software for you. They should allow users to install GNOME instead of KDE, or at least include some lightweight window managers with the install (c'mon, how much space could fluxbox, fvwm2, and windowmaker take up on an install cd??).

Overall, I got a vibe that Yoper is sort of put together sloppy (I encountered several bugs here and there, and the install prompts are written with weird grammar that you've gotta re-read to understand sometimes). If you don't mind all this and you're in it for the speed, then go ahead!
 
Old 09-29-2004, 07:21 AM   #3
Brain Drop
 
Registered: Feb 2003
Distribution: balanced
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Would you recommend the product? yes | Price you paid?: D/L | Rating: 9

Pros: Fast, simple install, nice default apps, easy to add more apps, printing support nice, fast booting
Cons: Does not work with grub well.


So after seeing the story on /. the other week about Yoper, I finally gave it a try last night and I thought I might share a little from my experience so far for those of you considering it. My system: pIII/celeron, i810 graphics/mobo.

The install was really simple the second time around, I had to take a mulligan on the first attempt, but no harm done. I am not positive what went wrong the first time I tried to install, but I think that when they say grub is not recomended as the boot loader for Yoper they really mean it. Otherwise the only other thing noteworthy about the install is the quickness of it.

Post install setup went nicely (I recomend you do 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get upgrade' before you try to set up your equipment), I have one printer that is on a remote lpd (built in on siemens routers, love 'em) and setup for that was smoother than other distros I have used recently. My pci-to-pcmcia adapter was also picked up without incident, and there is none of that waiting time during boot that some distros have when you use wifi cards. There seems to be a few options for installing software, and after a couple slight hiccups while setting up the repositories, I had my system updated and all my favorite software installed with the synaptic installer. I appreciate some of the default software as well, for instance I never knew amarok was such an awesome mp3 player before now.

The additional software is as plentiful as it is in other distros' repositories, however you must copy a couple of repositories into your /etc/apt/sources.list and then run 'apt-get update' and then 'apt-get upgrade' first. If you do not do this, all you will see is the already installed software on the list. In fact all the problems I had were solved by this. Tux racer is there, so is giFT.

Another nice touch is the configuration icon on the desktop that gives easy access to many of the things you want to find in a hurry when you first install a distro.

And then of course there is the application opening speed. I see many people say it is because of prelinking. I don't really know anything about that but I know that it works. Like a charm. A fast charm.

All in all, I like Yoper. A lot.
 
Old 09-30-2004, 10:26 AM   #4
braungiobi
 
Registered: Aug 2003
Distribution: debian, scientific linux now, in the past mepis and yoper
Posts: 19

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Would you recommend the product? yes | Price you paid?: None indicated | Rating: 9

Pros: fastness, responsiveness, cleanliness of the configuratio center
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I installed it very easily, in double boot with a debian sarge on an ibuddie A928 laptop.

All the necessary sotware was there, I jus added separately via apt-get some network utilities.

Roughly four times as fast as Fedora on the same machine.

There is a control center that works well, it is layed out much in the style of the macintosh OS X control centre, very nice and user friendly.

I installed some apps by configure && make && make install with no strange dependency problems.

A bit faster than debian too.

What else?

Perfect.

My background: I have been using linux for more han two years, first on a powerpc, than on a x86. I installed several mandrakes, debian, red hats and used all of them extensively, often compiling from source.

Only debian comes close to Yoper in speed, perhaps debian has a stability factor as its advantage in a production environment, nevertheless in two months yop never abandoned me.
 
Old 10-06-2004, 03:08 PM   #5
mightypile
 
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 8

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Would you recommend the product? yes | Price you paid?: D/L | Rating: 8

Pros: Fast, clean, cutting edge
Cons: still evolving


I downloaded the ISO from www.yoper.com and installed alongside WinXP. I was thrilled that it allowed me the opportunity to resize my NTFS partition without losing data in order to do the dual boot. I had made sure I had a partition available beforehand, so I didn't use the option, but it was welcome and showed me that somebody was thinking ahead with Yoper. The install worked fine, but was a little clunky in places. After letting it finish, I rebooted right into KDE.

I had only two problems with Yoper. One was that 1024x768 was the max screen size and I wasn't able to raise the resolution without manually editing the XF86Config file. This is a SaX2 issue, though, and is out of Yoper's hands until SuSE fixes it. The other was that my Broadcom 54g wireless adapter wouldn't work. Yoper recognized it, but didn't have a driver. Since Broadcom hasn't provided linux drivers, this was no surprise. I installed ndiswrapper with the Windows drivers and it worked fine.

I was delighted by several things. Things ran great with no tweaking. My USB mouse was recognized and installed and worked without my even being asked what it was. Then when I plugged my laptop into its docking station, Yoper recognized the new wireless mouse and keyboard and they just worked. Again, this is without my even being prompted for what they were. I was also thrilled that Yoper used the 2.6.8.1 kernel, the very latest stable build at the time.

One correction to a post above. I ran the OpenOffice setup package as well and found that OpenOffice was installed completely, but it wants to find out how you want it configured before it runs. This took less than a minute. The only hitch is that it couldn't find the jdk. But the jdk was installed in Yoper. I didn't download anything. I just told OpenOffice that the jdk was already in /usr/local/jdk and it went on its merry way.

Yoper is a pretty mature distribution, in that it has the latest packages for a fully up to date linux/XFree86/KDE operating system that is built to be very efficient and fast. It is also a rapidly evolving distribution since it hasn't been mainstream for long and is still working out a prettier installer and working to get more and more rpms available. I think Yoper is a good bet and will surpass most distros out there in the coming months.
 
Old 10-26-2004, 09:29 AM   #6
Waggs
 
Registered: Feb 2003
Distribution: Slackware, Zenwalk, Mepis
Posts: 16

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Would you recommend the product? yes | Price you paid?: D/L | Rating: 7

Pros: auto detect and config
Cons: install needs work


I just installed this distro last night, and I was very impressed. I have used Mandrake (7.x, 8.x), and Slackware (8.x, 9.x, 10.0) and had good results, I was just looking for something in between Xandros and Slackware, and I think I have found it.

The machine:
Systemax AMD64 3000+
1024 DDR
ATI 9800se
Sound - onboard via chipset
Generic DVD and CDRW
old Compaq 17" monitor
HP 600c printer
Networking throu Dlink DI-614+ router

Install:
If you've installed Slack, the Yoper install will not be bad at all. Other than the fact that some of the instructions and prompts look like they were translated from english-japanese-german-english. Read twice and ponder before selecting. I had one hng up on install, Yoper went through and configured alsa, then showed me a test of my video, looked good, I accepted. On reboot, it hung on starting X, said I needed to modify settings. I opened Sax, played around a bit, did not really change anything, but on closing all was well.

Once logged in things went smoothly. Updated servers for Synaptic, updated packages, no problem (first time I have used Synaptic... very cool). Printer config took only a few minutes, network took no time, and sound was properly configured during install 9very refreshing).

Final Notes:
This is obviously a young distro with some rough edges, but very solid in very respect. I highly recommend you give it a try.
 
Old 12-06-2004, 03:58 PM   #7
michux
 
Registered: Nov 2004
Distribution: Ubuntu
Posts: 76

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Would you recommend the product? yes | Price you paid?: D/L | Rating: 7

Pros: very fast and responsive, easy package installation, good support
Cons: few packages, inmaturity


Yoper is a very young Linux distribution which I first heard of and installed also very recently (September 2004). It's advertized as "the fastest out-of-the-box linux distro" and there is something in it. Except for the speed, Yoper offers pretty good hardware support (autodetection via redhat's kudzu). The installation is also really fast - on a 1GHz, 512 MB machine it took less than 20 minutes to get a fully functional operating system.
Well, of course there are also negative points. The distro is young and therefore there are still errors and some irritating behaviors. Obviously one couldn't compare it to such giants as Debian or Redhat. Yoppie is a little kid though, and for a kid, it does a really great job already! :)
Short HOWTO on installing Yoper Linux on a laptop machine is available on my website (see tha link in my signature)

At the end, some traditional pros and cons of the distro all in one:

Pros:
- very fast just after the installation - for sure this is the fastest distro I have ever tested, I guess the fact that Mozilla browser loads in a time of native KDE apps is quite impressive
- easy package installation (with dependencies taken care of) through the apt-get system imported from debian
- very easy way to build own optimized packages (RPM) - howto is here: 10 steps to create your own rpm's and an unofficial one here: The unofficial guide to Building Yoper RPM's.
- good support on official Yoper forums and a really nice amd friendly group of people posting there

Cons:
- few packages (at least compared to Debian it's few - about 500-1000 native packages available through apt-get - but of course compred to debian, every distro looks pretty lousy :)
- some important functions not very well done: things like X or printer configuration should be really easy nowadays, in Yoper there are problems with that things
 




  



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