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Old 09-10-2006, 08:12 AM   #16
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frank golden : please could you open a new thread for the soundcard problem ?

Thanks

Here are the udevinfo commands, to be ran on Zenwalk 3.0 :

udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/sound/dsp1
udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/sound/audio1
udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/sound/mixer1
udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/usb_device/usbdev1.13
udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/usb_device/usbdev1.12

Also take a look in /dev : is there a /dev/mixer1 ?
Is there a /dev/mixer as well ?
Do you have an onboard (motherboard) PCI soundcard ?
When your soundcard works on Ubuntu, what does "lsmod" tells you ?

Cheers

JP
 
Old 09-10-2006, 10:12 AM   #17
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With 2.8 or 3.0 which is about to be installed with a custom multiboot system 5gb is not even noticable with twin 250gb hard drives. The two questions remaining would be:

1) The minimum recommended size for a swap partition especially if it is to shared with another distro?

2) Can the swap partition be accessed for storing files or running programs or is it strictly reserved for virtual memory?

Thanks for the reply by the way. On another forum many will ask questions like the second one seen here. Now that 3.0 is here will it update 2.8 or will it need a separate installation? is another type of common question that will be asked.

Many lately have been asking if Linux supports gaming including Zenwalk as of late. How to set up your internet connection will be another to add to an evergrowing list for wireless as well as hard wired dsl.

They say the recommended is 1.5 times your ram but I always do 2 time the amount of ram. It is strictly for virtual memory. I upgraded but had some weird things happen so I just went with a fresh install. If you get a successful upgraded let us know.Maybe it was something I have done.
 
Old 09-10-2006, 01:19 PM   #18
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With 2.8 or 3.0 which is about to be installed with a custom multiboot system 5gb is not even noticable with twin 250gb hard drives.
I'm not actually running Zenwalk currently, but I have installed it and run it before. I always use the same paritioning scheme though, so I'm sure you'll be fine.

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1) The minimum recommended size for a swap partition especially if it is to shared with another distro?
Depending on how new your hardware is, you'll need need between 128M and 1G. I have a four year old laptop I run Linux on with only 512M of ram and I only use 128M of swap. To be perfectly honest with you swap is more of a releck from the days when computers had 64k of ram. Odds are no matter how much swap you make, you'll never use it. But you still have to have it, some distros will run without out but a lot freak out. Considering the size of modern hdd losing a 128M to swap should not be a problem.

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2) Can the swap partition be accessed for storing files or running programs or is it strictly reserved for virtual memory?
Its reserved.

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Thanks for the reply by the way.
Your welcome.

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Now that 3.0 is here will it update 2.8 or will it need a separate installation?
Already answered above.

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Many lately have been asking if Linux supports gaming including Zenwalk as of late.
Yes it does.

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How to set up your internet connection will be another to add to an evergrowing list for wireless as well as hard wired dsl.
If you need help with that you should start a new thread.
 
Old 09-10-2006, 01:58 PM   #19
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To be perfectly honest with you swap is more of a releck from the days when computers had 64k of ram.
Not really, in Zenwalk 3.0 the swap is used for suspend to disk, so having at least swap == ram is OK.

btw : the Suspend2 subsystem will try to free buffered objects from the RAM before hibernate, so it may work even if the swap < ram, but it's not worth to play

Cheers

JP
 
Old 09-10-2006, 02:08 PM   #20
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To be perfectly honest with you swap is more of a releck from the days when computers had 64k of ram.
Not really, in Zenwalk 3.0 the swap is used for suspend to disk, so having at least swap == ram is OK.

btw : the Suspend2 subsystem will try to free buffered objects from the RAM before hibernate, so it may work even if the swap < ram, but it's not worth to play

Cheers

JP
Thanks for posting that. I've learned something today (honestly). Your the first person I've ever met who could give me a reason that is applicable today as to why I would need swap. Still not reason enough for me to use up to a gig of space for swap, but still a reason.
 
Old 09-10-2006, 07:26 PM   #21
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frank golden : please could you open a new thread for the soundcard problem ?

Thanks

Here are the udevinfo commands, to be ran on Zenwalk 3.0 :

udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/sound/dsp1
udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/sound/audio1
udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/sound/mixer1
udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/usb_device/usbdev1.13
udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/usb_device/usbdev1.12

Also take a look in /dev : is there a /dev/mixer1 ?
Is there a /dev/mixer as well ?
Do you have an onboard (motherboard) PCI soundcard ?
When your soundcard works on Ubuntu, what does "lsmod" tells you ?

Cheers

JP
You are right. I have solved my sound problem though.
 
Old 09-10-2006, 11:44 PM   #22
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Well the latest results are in. Zenwalk 3.0 100% error free installation. Lilo or lilo boot 0%!

Here is the restrucured partition arrangement.
HDa1 = 250gb primary for XP Home(can't use Grub4Dos there)
HDb1 = 35gb NTFS reserved for Vista RC1 or ReactOS
HDb2 = 10gb root for Zenwalk 3.0
HDb3 = 3.5gb swap for Zenawalk + ?
HDb4 = 195gb NTFS storage partition

Increasing the size of the root partition worked there. And less then 50gb is taken up on the storage parition at the moment. The main problem being seen now is the direct installation of a boot loader or the creation of a boot floppy. A universal boot cd would be an alternative. When running Fedora a ubuntu boot manager on floppy was effective for listing all partitions and giving you the option to choose which one to load from. Whichever OS(Windows, Linux, ?) was installed on the partition chosen would load without problems.
Unfortunately the original floppy was lost and the link for a replacement is not known here.

The question that remains now is whether the need for an mbr on the secondary drive is needed in order to have Zenwalk run with Lilo or Grub, ot will that have to wait for another OS there? Grub4Dos is out since the system that ran Fedora was replaced after a hardware failure.
 
Old 09-11-2006, 12:45 AM   #23
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Hey well i wanted to ask for the developers about zenwalk. well why arent they used kde or gnome graphical systems in zenwalk which are most widely used on linux system and also Is the bootloader of zenwalk is lilo or Grub??? if lilo why heavent they provided grub since every 1 uses grub as its better than lilo.
Thanks
 
Old 09-11-2006, 03:27 AM   #24
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Hey well i wanted to ask for the developers about zenwalk. well why arent they used kde or gnome graphical systems in zenwalk which are most widely used on linux system and also Is the bootloader of zenwalk is lilo or Grub??? if lilo why heavent they provided grub since every 1 uses grub as its better than lilo.
About XFCE : I believe that XFCE is a more rational and efficient desktop environment than KDE or GNOME. XFCE provides 95% of GNOME features in a single 15MB package and has a more modern design (more "recent" design, following freedesktop.org specifications closely). With XFCE you can really build a "responsive" desktop environment, suitable for multimedia or office.

About Lilo : Lilo supports more filesystems than Grub, is more reliable (simpler design), has 256 colors bootsplash support (Grub doesn't), and finally Grub1 is not maintained any more (Grub2 isn't ready). Lilo is superior to Grub for all these reasons.

Cheers

JP
 
Old 09-11-2006, 01:03 PM   #25
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Thanks for poping out your valuable suggestions Mr. JP. Infact i am learning alot from you people.
Thanks a tons to all of you.


HATS OFF TO YOU Mr. JP AND FOR ALL DEVELOPERS
 
Old 09-12-2006, 03:05 AM   #26
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Well I'm still in the stump while Vista RC1 went onto the primary of HDb1 without problems and effectively took over the XP primary's mbr. That is due to not having unplugged the primary drive for that. I'm hoping at present to retry the lilo installer to see if that will also make an entry in the primary'smbr as well. The old ubuntu boot manager on floppy used to solve all loading problems by simply choosing a partition. But before having a chance to make a backup copy the disk was lost. I don't know if anyone is familiar with that os loader here. The ubuntu smart boot loader is being tried to see ifthat can load(hopefully) Zenwalk now that the others are running. When RC1 is removed ReactOS will dual boot with Zenwalk until the storage partition becomes empty space for another undecided distro.
 
Old 09-12-2006, 09:33 AM   #27
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Hey well i wanted to ask for the developers about zenwalk. well why arent they used kde or gnome graphical systems in zenwalk which are most widely used on linux system and also Is the bootloader of zenwalk is lilo or Grub??? if lilo why heavent they provided grub since every 1 uses grub as its better than lilo.
About XFCE : I believe that XFCE is a more rational and efficient desktop environment than KDE or GNOME. XFCE provides 95% of GNOME features in a single 15MB package and has a more modern design (more "recent" design, following freedesktop.org specifications closely). With XFCE you can really build a "responsive" desktop environment, suitable for multimedia or office.

About Lilo : Lilo supports more filesystems than Grub, is more reliable (simpler design), has 256 colors bootsplash support (Grub doesn't), and finally Grub1 is not maintained any more (Grub2 isn't ready). Lilo is superior to Grub for all these reasons.

Cheers

JP
I have never used XFCE until I used Zenwalk and I have grown to like it. It seems very efficient and very fast. As far as lilo I have always used it when given a choice. Since lilo has been around longer it has never failed me.(Probably just cursed my self though. I can just see it go home tonight and my laptop will through all kinds of lilo errors and other errors.)
 
Old 09-12-2006, 12:56 PM   #28
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Yes i agree with u stephers and with JP also, but as you both said lilo as well as XFCE both have lot of advantages than brub and kde/Gnome respectively, but why are they famous and widely used in all linx flavors infact many flavors make kde or gnome as their default graphical system and also grub as default bootloader too. So kindly explain me why developers are giving more importance to those when they have more disadvantages than XFCE, and why not giving priority to XFCE.

Thanks
 
Old 09-12-2006, 01:43 PM   #29
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Yes i agree with u stephers and with JP also, but as you both said lilo as well as XFCE both have lot of advantages than brub and kde/Gnome respectively, but why are they famous and widely used in all linx flavors infact many flavors make kde or gnome as their default graphical system and also grub as default bootloader too. So kindly explain me why developers are giving more importance to those when they have more disadvantages than XFCE, and why not giving priority to XFCE.

Thanks
I am not sure. It is a choice made by the owner of the software. Just like I may be a chevy person but the next may be a Ford person. It is all just opinions and preferences. The idea's behind each are differenct
 
Old 09-12-2006, 06:02 PM   #30
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Yes i agree with u stephers and with JP also, but as you both said lilo as well as XFCE both have lot of advantages than brub and kde/Gnome respectively, but why are they famous and widely used in all linx flavors infact many flavors make kde or gnome as their default graphical system and also grub as default bootloader too. So kindly explain me why developers are giving more importance to those when they have more disadvantages than XFCE, and why not giving priority to XFCE.

Thanks
Don't get overly excited now. KDE and Gnome are the top two for good reason. XFCE is quite quick out of the box and has a lot of features, but that doesn't mean KDE and Gnome can't be that way as well, if you set them up properly. In a lot of ways the philosophy behind KDE and Gnome are different from XFCE. The first two set out to everything for you and hopefully in the process do it well. XFCE wants to look pretty and be functional, but they strive to do it with as little as possible. Even the developer of Zenwalk himself said "XFCE has 95% of Gnome," its the extra 5% that Gnome and KDE are shooting for. That dosen't make one worse than the other, it makes them different. Personally I use Fluxbox, and by the qualifications you've laid out, Fluxbox is now the worst DE ever. Yet there is nothing wrong with Fluxbox. I use it with great speed and efficiency and have no trouble doing manually what many KDE, Gnome, and XFCE users do through the GUI every day.

This isn't about being better, its about choice. The great thing about Linux, including Zenwalk, if you don't like it, get rid of it and use something else.
 
  


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