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Old 11-22-2006, 07:01 AM   #1
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What do you think of Feisty Fawn?


First I read that the new release of Ubuntu is to be called "Feisty Fawn". I think this name sounds extremely camp. I can't imagine having to tell people that I use it and no, I'm not a homophobe! I just hate the name.

I now read that Feisty Fawn is going to shit in its own glade as it were by installing non-free drivers by default. This totally against the declared Ubuntu ethic.

As ubuntu users how do you feel about this new release?
Will it attract more users than it loses?
 
Old 11-22-2006, 07:15 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by mikieboy
First I read that the new release of Ubuntu is to be called "Feisty Fawn". I think this name sounds extremely camp. I can't imagine having to tell people that I use it and no, I'm not a homophobe! I just hate the name.

I now read that Feisty Fawn is going to shit in its own glade as it were by installing non-free drivers by default. This totally against the declared Ubuntu ethic.

As ubuntu users how do you feel about this new release?
Will it attract more users than it loses?
I could care less what its called, as long as it works.

I don't understand what you mean by non-free drivers, unless you're talking about media codecs, libdvdcss, etc. being pre-installed. If that is the case, I don't see that as being that big of a deal, as 90% of us, enable them anyways. I imagine they probably monitor various Linux forums, and know a lot of new users get frustrated quickly because they can't play DVDs, MP3's, WMVs, etc, right out of the box,

As long as the base of Ubuntu users stay with it, those that have went from Dapper, to Edgy and so forth, I see it continuing to attract users. Why? It might be the most community supported distro there is. You have the Ubuntu LQ forum, which is fairly active, you have Ubuntuforums.org, you have a couple of Ubuntu IRC channels.. That's a lot of helpful people out there who use and understand Ubuntu Linux...

By the way, what would you suggest for a name? Some suggestions...

Flakey Fish
Finicky Ferret
Flipping Flamingo
Flaming Frog


IGF

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Old 11-22-2006, 10:16 AM   #3
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I don't really care about the name. it's just a code name anyway. Still called Ubuntu.
About the binary drivers... I don't care much for the closed source aspect if they work right. Right now they give me suspend/hibernate issues =/
 
Old 11-22-2006, 05:27 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by IndyGunFreak
Flakey Fish
Finicky Ferret
Flipping Flamingo
Flaming Frog
Farting Flamingo

Anyways, If you wanna tell someone your distro just say Ubuntu 6.10, or Kubuntu 7.04 or whatever.

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Old 11-22-2006, 08:30 PM   #5
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My feelings on the issue of binary drivers and codec's is why not?

For users who are really in to the "freedom" issues, then use Debian. Ubuntu should be aiming for user-friendliness, not necessarily "free software" ideals.

Perhaps if they included an option in the installer, like: "Would you like to install support for MP3, DVD, etc?" and "Would you like to install the (closed source) drivers for your ATI or Nvidia video card?". That way, both camps would be satisfied.

--Ian
 
Old 11-22-2006, 09:06 PM   #6
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My feelings on the issue of binary drivers and codec's is why not?

For users who are really in to the "freedom" issues, then use Debian. Ubuntu should be aiming for user-friendliness, not necessarily "free software" ideals.

Perhaps if they included an option in the installer, like: "Would you like to install support for MP3, DVD, etc?" and "Would you like to install the (closed source) drivers for your ATI or Nvidia video card?". That way, both camps would be satisfied.

--Ian
I concur! This is another way to make it user friendly and get more people to switch to Linux.
 
Old 11-22-2006, 09:35 PM   #7
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Who cares about a code name brown for that matter. I understand and applaud GPL. Sure would be great if GPL software did everything we need -- it doesn't. Why shoot ourselves in the foot. Stick to our guns on what we develop but why prevent the use of other "free" software if we can't provide a GPL solution. That logic lines up well with "whites only bathrooms."
 
Old 11-22-2006, 11:40 PM   #8
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stick with the version numbers

As mentioned above just use the version numbers, its what I do. I don't care for the names either but this is my favorite distro so will a name that I'm not too fawn of(*fond haha) stop me from using it? Not at all.

sorry for the lame joke, couldn't resist.
 
Old 11-23-2006, 04:22 AM   #9
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Originally posted by IndyGunFreak:
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I don't understand what you mean by non-free drivers
These are hardware drivers supplied by companies such as ATI that are non-free in the open source sense. Use of these are drivers are a slap in the face for those in the open source movement who have been campaigning for years for such manufacturers to support Linux out of the box in the same way that they do for Windows. Out of the box support for Linux would remove a major stumbling block for would-be converts.
My understanding is that Mark Shuttleworth (the Ubuntu founder) intended Ubuntu to be completely open source. Does this explain the question?
I take the point about the name. It is trivial. However, the use of closed-source software is a big issue to some.

Originally posted by fragos:
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why prevent the use of other "free" software if we can't provide a GPL solution.
No one is trying it prevent it per se. But should it be the default solution or, as some have suggested, should you be given the option to use it or not?

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Old 11-23-2006, 10:11 AM   #10
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and no, I'm not a homophobe! I just hate the name.
What the heck's that have anything to do with it? You sound like one of those self-loathing leftists that apologizes for a living.

But be grateful that the Ubuntu devs aren't following the Debian naming convention. . .

or else we could easily have distro names from "Finding Nemo" or some equally shitty Pixar movie.



Quote:
Originally Posted by mikieboy
This totally against the declared Ubuntu ethic.
I really hate how the majority of Ubuntu users take credit for a philosophy that they didn't even create.

I'll stick with 6.10 for the time being, thank you.
 
Old 11-23-2006, 12:34 PM   #11
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What the heck's that have anything to do with it? You sound like one of those self-loathing leftists that apologizes for a living.
Wow, change the word apologizes with hate and it seems it could apply to you.

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But be grateful that the Ubuntu devs aren't following the Debian naming convention. . .

or else we could easily have distro names from "Finding Nemo" or some equally shitty Pixar movie.





I really hate how the majority of Ubuntu users take credit for a philosophy that they didn't even create.

I'll stick with 6.10 for the time being, thank you.
Majority of Ubuntu users are taking credit ? Really is that true? Is that just your personal opinion or do you have something to back up that THE MAJORITY are taking credit?
 
Old 11-23-2006, 04:52 PM   #12
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I'm sure you've all heard the saying, "If you don't vote you can't complain." How about, "If you don't code GPL, you can't complain about what's not GPL." If the community out of necessity uses free non-GPL and it bothers you, fund a project or code it yourself.
 
Old 11-23-2006, 04:57 PM   #13
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please stop the ubuntu user on ubuntu user hate. watch the mendela video.
 
Old 11-23-2006, 05:12 PM   #14
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For those of you who don't like the way ubuntu uses proprietary drivers, check out gnewsense, same thinks, but free. Gonna try it out as soon as I get the time, although I'm totally happy with ubuntu.
 
Old 11-25-2006, 01:37 PM   #15
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Wow, change the word apologizes with hate and it seems it could apply to you.
LOL!!!

Is that your authoritative opinion, or is it just a personal attack directed at me for no reason at all?

I'll keep what I said in its original order and choice of wording, TYVM.

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Originally Posted by statyk
Majority of Ubuntu users are taking credit ? Really is that true? Is that just your personal opinion or do you have something to back up that THE MAJORITY are taking credit?
Uh. . .Ubuntu philosophy:

Quote:
Originally Posted by ubuntu.com
The Ubuntu community is built on the ideas enshrined in the Ubuntu Philosophy: that software should be available free of charge, that software tools should be usable by people in their local language and despite any disabilities, and that people should have the freedom to customise and alter their software in whatever way they see fit.
Now, the GNU philosophy:

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Originally Posted by http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/
Free software is a matter of freedom: people should be free to use software in all the ways that are socially useful. Software differs from material objects--such as chairs, sandwiches, and gasoline--in that it can be copied and changed much more easily. These possibilities make software as useful as it is; we believe software users should be able to make use of them.
If your definition of "socially useful" implies local language minus disabilities, as I know mine does, then there you go. You can use different wording, but that doesn't make it a whole new thing.

And among Ubuntu users, the overriding influence within the community is to refer to this as the "Ubuntu philosophy" -- both among seasoned users and among those whose first experience with Linux is Ubuntu. Those who know nothing, of course, follow. Even on its own web site, Ubuntu tries to distance itself from any other Linux distribution in this regard.

So, if there is nothing to refute that statement I made, I will once again stick with the original wording regardless of how you choose to attack me. You have your opinion, and I have mine.

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