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Old 11-03-2009, 04:18 PM   #1
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Grub gives "missing partition" after running 9.10 Live


My system is a dual-boot arrangement with Windows XP and Ubuntu 8.04 running. I use Grub as my bootloader and it has been fine.

I recently downloaded and burned the new Ubuntu 9.10. After running it in Live mode, I found I could no longer boot from my old Grub menu. If I try to select my normal 8.04 version, I get a message that the partition can't be found. And if I try to select my Windows boot, I get a message to "remove disk and try again".

In my menu.lst, I have Windows as the default. I discovered that if I allow the Grub timer to run down, it boots Windows just fine. If I use the arrow keys to move up or down my menu selection, I get the "remove disk and try again" after moving back to the bottom of the list.

Fortunately, I have a backup Grub boot floppy, which actually has the same menu.lst and device list at the one on my HD. It boots up perfectly, letting me get into either 8.04 or XP.

Looks like the Live 9.10 did change something on my HD involving grub.

Anyone else run into this, or anyone have a solution?

Cheers
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Old 11-03-2009, 09:06 PM   #2
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no but pls post your entire grub menu in a code box so we can have a look at it.

ubuntu did move to uuid so that may be an issue

2) also we need a post of your /etc/fstab...so we can marry up your / uuids

Leaping ahead...if your grub has no uuids....I need the output of this command as well pls....done in a live cd
Code:
ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid


I am as surprised as you that a live cd should do anything to your mbr without your approval...consider changing distros if it were true?
 
Old 11-04-2009, 09:57 PM   #3
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AUS9 - Thanks for your reply.

Here is my menu.lst. (Don't know how to post in a Code Box - sri)
I have not included the commented parts of menu.lst - just the bottom section.
It defaults to the top entry (0) after 10 seconds.
------------------------------------------------------
...
## ## End Default Options ##

title Ubuntu 8.04.3 LTS, kernel 2.6.24-25-generic
root (hd0,1)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-25-generic root=UUID=caa2f434-a72e-47e5-a5e1-3d46cdf1fb4f ro quiet splash
initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-25-generic
quiet

title Ubuntu 8.04.3 LTS, kernel 2.6.24-25-generic (recovery mode)
root (hd0,1)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-25-generic root=UUID=caa2f434-a72e-47e5-a5e1-3d46cdf1fb4f ro single
initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-25-generic

title Ubuntu 8.04.3 LTS, memtest86+
root (hd0,1)
kernel /boot/memtest86+.bin
quiet

### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST

# This is a divider, added to separate the menu items below from the Debian
# ones.
title Other operating systems:
root


# This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
# on /dev/sda1
title Windows NT/2000/XP
root (hd0,0)
savedefault
makeactive
chainloader +1

-----------------------------------------------------
Here's FSTAB:
# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
# /dev/sda2
UUID=caa2f434-a72e-47e5-a5e1-3d46cdf1fb4f / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1
# /dev/sda1
UUID=248875F08875C13A /media/sda1 ntfs defaults,umask=007,gid=46 0 1
# /dev/sdb1
/dev/sdb1 /media/FAT32 vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,utf8,umask=077,flush 0 0
# /dev/sda3
UUID=dd5d6a07-b24a-c099-fad7-3f5b7affcc7c none swap sw 0 0
# /dev/sdb5
UUID=068f9aa9-d9d5-4b17-bd84-eb443e3c0f52 none swap sw 0 0
/dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0 0
/dev/scd1 /media/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0 0
/dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto,exec 0 0
---------------------------------------------------------
-bryan@den:/etc$ ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid
total 0
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 160 2009-11-04 21:34 .
drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 120 2009-11-04 16:34 ..
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-11-04 16:34 068f9aa9-d9d5-4b17-bd84-eb443e3c0f52 -> ../../sdb5
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-11-04 16:34 0857-170C -> ../../sdb1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-11-04 16:34 248875F08875C13A -> ../../sda1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-11-04 16:34 caa2f434-a72e-47e5-a5e1-3d46cdf1fb4f -> ../../sda2
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-11-04 16:34 dd5d6a07-b24a-c099-fad7-3f5b7affcc7c -> ../../sda3
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-11-04 21:34 E0CB-107D -> ../../sdc1
bryan@den:/etc$
---------------------------------------------------------
 
Old 11-05-2009, 06:03 PM   #4
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hi

still want full edition type

CODE inside [ ]....I can't type it normally as it produces a code box
full menu
/CODE inside [ ]

2) your menu for ms has this line

savedefault

remove it pls....it causes pain

3) so far the other bit is looking good
root (hd0,1) = sda2 = uuid as per fstab and output = grub line

Last edited by aus9; 11-05-2009 at 06:06 PM.
 
Old 11-06-2009, 08:41 AM   #5
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aus9, thanks again.
OK, I've commented out the "savedefault"in the ms script.
Here is the full menu.lst:

Code:
# menu.lst - See: grub(8), info grub, update-grub(8)
#            grub-install(8), grub-floppy(8),
#            grub-md5-crypt, /usr/share/doc/grub
#            and /usr/share/doc/grub-doc/.

# This is MENU.LST on the floppy backup.

## default num
# Set the default entry to the entry number NUM. Numbering starts from 0, and
# the entry number 0 is the default if the command is not used.
#
# You can specify 'saved' instead of a number. In this case, the default entry
# is the entry saved with the command 'savedefault'.
# WARNING: If you are using dmraid do not use 'savedefault' or your
# array will desync and will not let you boot your system.
default		0

## timeout sec
# Set a timeout, in SEC seconds, before automatically booting the default entry
# (normally the first entry defined).
timeout		10

## hiddenmenu
# Hides the menu by default (press ESC to see the menu)
#hiddenmenu

# Pretty colours
#color cyan/blue white/blue

## password ['--md5'] passwd
# If used in the first section of a menu file, disable all interactive editing
# control (menu entry editor and command-line)  and entries protected by the
# command 'lock'
# e.g. password topsecret
#      password --md5 $1$gLhU0/$aW78kHK1QfV3P2b2znUoe/
# password topsecret

#
# examples
#
# title		Windows 95/98/NT/2000
# root		(hd0,0)
# makeactive
# chainloader	+1
#
# title		Linux
# root		(hd0,1)
# kernel	/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro
#

#
# Put static boot stanzas before and/or after AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST

### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
## lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST markers will be modified
## by the debian update-grub script except for the default options below

## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs

## ## Start Default Options ##
## default kernel options
## default kernel options for automagic boot options
## If you want special options for specific kernels use kopt_x_y_z
## where x.y.z is kernel version. Minor versions can be omitted.
## e.g. kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro
##      kopt_2_6_8=root=/dev/hdc1 ro
##      kopt_2_6_8_2_686=root=/dev/hdc2 ro
# kopt=root=UUID=caa2f434-a72e-47e5-a5e1-3d46cdf1fb4f ro

## Setup crashdump menu entries
## e.g. crashdump=1
# crashdump=0

## default grub root device
## e.g. groot=(hd0,0)
# groot=(hd0,1)

## should update-grub create alternative automagic boot options
## e.g. alternative=true
##      alternative=false
# alternative=true

## should update-grub lock alternative automagic boot options
## e.g. lockalternative=true
##      lockalternative=false
# lockalternative=false

## additional options to use with the default boot option, but not with the
## alternatives
## e.g. defoptions=vga=791 resume=/dev/hda5
# defoptions=quiet splash

## should update-grub lock old automagic boot options
## e.g. lockold=false
##      lockold=true
# lockold=false

## Xen hypervisor options to use with the default Xen boot option
# xenhopt=

## Xen Linux kernel options to use with the default Xen boot option
# xenkopt=console=tty0

## altoption boot targets option
## multiple altoptions lines are allowed
## e.g. altoptions=(extra menu suffix) extra boot options
##      altoptions=(recovery) single
# altoptions=(recovery mode) single

## controls how many kernels should be put into the menu.lst
## only counts the first occurence of a kernel, not the
## alternative kernel options
## e.g. howmany=all
##      howmany=7
# howmany=all

## should update-grub create memtest86 boot option
## e.g. memtest86=true
##      memtest86=false
# memtest86=true

## should update-grub adjust the value of the default booted system
## can be true or false
# updatedefaultentry=false

## should update-grub add savedefault to the default options
## can be true or false
# savedefault=false

## ## End Default Options ##

title		Ubuntu 8.04.3 LTS, kernel 2.6.24-25-generic
root		(hd0,1)
kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-25-generic root=UUID=caa2f434-a72e-47e5-a5e1-3d46cdf1fb4f ro quiet splash
initrd		/boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-25-generic
quiet

title		Ubuntu 8.04.3 LTS, kernel 2.6.24-25-generic (recovery mode)
root		(hd0,1)
kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-25-generic root=UUID=caa2f434-a72e-47e5-a5e1-3d46cdf1fb4f ro single
initrd		/boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-25-generic

title		Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.24-21-generic
root		(hd0,1)
kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-21-generic root=UUID=caa2f434-a72e-47e5-a5e1-3d46cdf1fb4f ro quiet splash
initrd		/boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-21-generic
quiet

title		Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.24-21-generic (recovery mode)
root		(hd0,1)
kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-21-generic root=UUID=caa2f434-a72e-47e5-a5e1-3d46cdf1fb4f ro single
initrd		/boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-21-generic

title		Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.24-19-generic
root		(hd0,1)
kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-19-generic root=UUID=caa2f434-a72e-47e5-a5e1-3d46cdf1fb4f ro quiet splash
initrd		/boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-19-generic
quiet

title		Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.24-19-generic (recovery mode)
root		(hd0,1)
kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-19-generic root=UUID=caa2f434-a72e-47e5-a5e1-3d46cdf1fb4f ro single
initrd		/boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-19-generic

title		Ubuntu 8.04.1, memtest86+
root		(hd0,1)
kernel		/boot/memtest86+.bin
quiet

### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST

# This is a divider, added to separate the menu items below from the Debian
# ones.
title		Other operating systems:
root


# This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
# on /dev/sda1
title		Windows NT/2000/XP
root		(hd0,0)
# savedefault
makeactive
chainloader	+1
That's it.
B.
 
Old 11-07-2009, 12:24 AM   #6
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hmmm

I do not use Ubuntu I am wondering if Ubuntu use splash on your kernel line as = kernel splash application ...I thought they used splashy

try boot up ...press E and delete that line..or permanently remove it....

(if you have a kernel splash ..it should find it but its not a grub splash so I can not verify this)

2) Thanks for the full menu....I still find nothing strange other than that splash bit

could you post your floppy copy...in a code box..and just before label it as a floppy menu?

Leaping ahead I am at a loss so far
 
Old 11-09-2009, 07:24 PM   #7
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Well, I made some progress, I think. Time will tell.

First, I booted from an older Ubuntu Live CD. Once up, I deleted everything in the hda2 /boot/grub folder, and I then copied all the "stage" files from my /usr/lib folder into /boot/grub. Then re-installed Grub onto the MBR. Keeping my fingers crossed, I rebooted from the HD.

Same error 22 message - No such partition. I dropped into Grub and ran 'find /boot/grub'. Guess what - it came back as HD1,1 instead of HD0,1! Ok, I edited the (hd0,1) line to read (hd1,1) using the grub shell, and used the boot command. Worked like a charm!

So I decided to edit my /boot/grub/menu.lst file to change all the (hd0,1) entries to (hd1,1). Then rebooted.

Got the error 22 - missing partition message again. Re-ran the 'find /boot/grub/menu.lst'./ Now it reported is on hd0,1, not hd1,1. So went back & modified the menu.lst file back to (hd0,1). Rebooted & IT WORKED!

Only problem seems to be booting to Windows. It starts to boot, gives a "remove disks & try again" message. I simply selected windows from the boot menu a 2nd time & VIOLA. Booted properly.

So I am not at all sure what has happened, but am happy that it now seems to work.

During all this time, the boot from grub on my emergency floppy disk has worked perfectly all along. Don't know if something weird was happening in the BIOS, resulting in the 2 drives being swapped around, or what.

It is curious that the whole problem started immediately (next boot-up) after I used the Ubuntu 9.10 Live disk.

Cheers & thanks for your efforts. Much appreciated.
 
Old 11-10-2009, 06:32 AM   #8
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post the output of /boot/grub/device.map pls and tell us what is bios boot order in terms of linux versus ms pls
 
Old 11-10-2009, 09:28 AM   #9
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Here it is:
Device Map file on hda1:
[CODE
(hd0) /dev/hda
(hd1) /dev/hdb
/CODE]

For comparison, here is the Device Map from my bootable floppy:
[CODE
(hd0) /dev/hda
(hd1) /dev/hdb
/CODE]

The 'installed-version' file from hda1 is:
[CODE
0.97-29ubuntu21.1
/CODE]

There is no installed-version file on the floppy drive.

Something I just noticed when I booted this time. I dropped into Grub, and it reported at the top of the page, it was Grub version 0.95, not 0.97. (This is the Grub as booting from hda. Next time I boot up, I'll do it from the floppy and see if it shows the same. I'll let you know.)

The BIOS is set to give my 120G drive as Primary, my 20G drive as Secondary, both on IDE1.

Here is the partition list:
[CODE
bryan@den:~$ sudo fdisk -l
[sudo] password for bryan:

Disk /dev/sda: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xb88db88d

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 * 1 10946 87923713+ 7 HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda2 10947 14513 28651927+ 83 Linux
/dev/sda3 14514 14593 642600 82 Linux swap / Solaris

Disk /dev/sdb: 20.4 GB, 20491075584 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 2491 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xa82f33f9

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sdb1 * 1 2430 19518943+ c W95 FAT32 (LBA)
/dev/sdb3 2431 2491 489982+ 5 Extended
/dev/sdb5 2431 2491 489951 82 Linux swap / Solaris
bryan@den:~$
/CODE]

Thanks.
 
Old 11-10-2009, 09:36 AM   #10
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I just did a reboot from the floppy drive, and it too reports that it is version 0.95, not 0.97.

In the above post, I forgot the trailing "]" after the CODE thing. Sorry!

B.
 
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ok we are so close on this one but for a different reason.

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ight=inode+256

inode change for your format to 256.

your fstab shows ext3 which is the same issue for inodes.

2) your mbr is linked to Grub version 0.95, not 0.97

and when you boot a recent ubuntu it probably uses isolinux bootloader so we can't tell much from that.

Now correct me if I am wrong....but I gather you booted an older live cd....and installed its old grub files..which is how you ended up with 0.95...in particular the grub stage2 would not support inode 256.

3) But my logic breaks down as you claim a 0.95 floppy boots your current ext3 system.

This could be explained in 2 main ways.

a) 0.95 supported anything so was not affected by inode size?

Who knows I am not going to investigate it

b) your changing hard drive grub was not complete?


4) Therefore....I would like you to boot the live latest
ubuntu and copy its grub files onto hard drive.

its not enought to redo grub in mbr ....as grub will find its files...but they are 0.95 files but grub won't care.

I am aware ubuntu uses sudo so lets try this?

boot cd

Research where ubuntu keeps its copies of grub stage files
possible /usr/lib/grub but we can use a command to find it

Code:
sudo updatedb
locate stage2
.....write down pathways....ignore any /media/ or /mnt/ pathways as they are your hard drive
You need to know that pathway before trying the next step

Code:
sudo mkdir /z
sudo mount /dev/sda2 /z
ls /z
(must show linux structure...report if it doesn't...and may have to use sdb2 but I hope not)
cd /z/boot/grub
sudo rm -f stage* (deletes current stage1/1.5/2 files)
sudo cp /researchedpathway2grubstage2/stage* /z/boot/grub
sudo grub
(prompt changes to grub)
root (hd0,1)
setup (hd0)
quit
cd /
sudo umount /z
You can now reboot.

What this attempts to do is use mose recent grub stage* files to replace current 0.95 stage files...and then put grub back into mbr and relink to newer stage files...but still using current menu.


now if this is too hard for you..print it out and think about it and it its still too hard....try re-installing ubuntu and reformat sda2 before installing so grub can not find any old file

good luck
 
Old 11-11-2009, 05:21 PM   #12
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This is scary - I am actually beginning to understand most of what you said. Guess I am becoming a bit more familiar with linux. Fantastic.

Here is some of my history, which might shed some light.

Way back when, I installed Ubuntu 5.10 and created the emergency floppy boot disk. So that was likely grub 0.95.

When Ubuntu 8.10 (the one I currently use), came along, I did a complete reinstall, not an update. So when the install got to the point of putting Grub on, that was likely 0.97. But the floppy still worked - maybe your comment is right on - it may not care.

Now moving up to today, ...
Yes, I reinstalled Grub from an old Live CD (Version 5.10!), so that would have been 0.95. But, I copied all the "stage" files from the library already on the hda1, so they are probably 0.97 versions.

I am thinking that if I use Synaptic to reload Grub, which will be version 0.97-ubuntu, it will put the correct stage files in the libraries. Can I then do a re-install of that new version of Grub onto my MBR, while logged into the linux ubuntu on my HD? I don't seem to have a newer version Live CD. The latest one, is Ubuntu 9.10, which uses Grub2 - a whole different ball of wax. Can't find any of the older versions, like 8.10.

Or I suppose I could d/l another live distro that has Grub 0.97. (Can you recommend any?)

Thanks,
B.
 
Old 11-11-2009, 07:16 PM   #13
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Yes use your package manager to upgrade grub legacy.


2) Since you understood all of my last.....the easiest is still a clean install...but I take you point but dismiss it on grub2.

The future lies with grub2.

you have old and new live cds.....so you can use a web browser in live mode....to read this in live mode

do a clean install of grub2 live cd for ubuntu.
make sure you install grub2 into mbr

grub2 scripts will search for other operating systems...if they don't before rebooting....create a /etc/grub.d/40_custom script, using root powers

----
menuentry "xp" {
set root=(hd0,1)
chainloader +1
}

menuentry "ms on drive2" {
set root=(hd1,1)
chainloader +1
}

then run command update-grub

then look at /boot/grub/grub.cfg to see your "menu" looks ok.

----

study my signature if you like

good luck

PS advantages of using a more recent ubuntu should be obvious

EDIT
3) oops you are asking for recommendations

ubuntu is gnome so if you like that...try linux mint

I use sidux...but that is based on debian unstable and not for beginners.

Last edited by aus9; 11-11-2009 at 07:23 PM.
 
Old 11-16-2009, 12:47 PM   #14
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Hi AUS9

Just a last update on my situation. I decided to install Ubuntu 9.10 after all. It defaults to Grub2. After doing the install, Grub2 would not boot. Just got the dreaded 'GRUB' on screen and nothing else. After a bit of thought, I booted again from the Live CD, and uninstalled Grub2, installed Grub 0.97, and updated the HD with Grub legacy, too. Eureka, Grub 0.97 legacy works now and I am happy.

I suspect Grub2's failure had to do with my not having a good install of the legacy Grub on my HD.

I may yet upgrade to Grub2, now that I have a properly booting system.

Also learned that having a Boot Floppy is a great idea. Glad I had that to fall back on. I did create a Grub 0.97 version that works flawlessly.

I do have one remaining issue, which is now just a curiosity, since I am able to boot right from the HD.

When I boot from the HD, I sometimes, (not always), see a message flash by that it is booting from (hd1,4) not (hd0,4) which is where the linux system actually exists. I guess, since I am using 'uuid" it finds the correct partitions, but it is very curious that it sometimes calls it (hd1,4). Incidentally, I never have this issue when I boot from the Floppy. with the same version of Grub (0.97) and an identical menu.lst and and Device.map.

Oh well.

Many thanks for your help, AUS9, and your patience. Sure appreciated.

Regards,
va3og
 
  


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