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Lola Kews 01-10-2012 03:03 PM

Donloaded Ubuntu (10.4) copied to new Sata "DVD" drive, problem?
 
This is the first time I have used my new internal Sata CD/DVD drive everything seemed very straight forward, but!!

It didn't seem to be reading the new Sata drive so I went into the Bios to set the read order like you do when one was using IDE drives.
However there doesn't seem to be any order to be set with Sata drives. You just get a listing of Sata drive slots and the drive on that slot.
The CD disk was created, I followed the (Ubuntu site) instructions exactly.

If that has something to do with whats going on I'm not sure, here is the link to how I did it: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download

I was more or less trying to get it to read the disk I created through the menus, however I received a message that the "Auto Run" could not be found. However when I view the contents of the disk the auto run file is there.

What am I doing wrong?

Doc CPU 01-10-2012 03:52 PM

Hi there,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lola Kews (Post 4571282)
This is the first time I have used my new internal Sata CD/DVD drive everything seemed very straight forward, but!!

It didn't seem to be reading the new Sata drive so I went into the Bios to set the read order like you do when one was using IDE drives.
However there doesn't seem to be any order to be set with Sata drives. You just get a listing of Sata drive slots and the drive on that slot.
The CD disk was created, I followed the (Ubuntu site) instructions exactly.

If that has something to do with whats going on I'm not sure, here is the link to how I did it: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download

I was more or less trying to get it to read the disk I created through the menus, however I received a message that the "Auto Run" could not be found. However when I view the contents of the disk the auto run file is there.

What am I doing wrong?

I understand every single word of your post, but I'm sorry that no sentence makes any sense to me. I don't understand what you're complaining about and what your problem is. Would you please rephrase your issue again, trying to look at it from someone else's point of view who isn't sitting inside your head?

[X] Doc CPU

widget 01-10-2012 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doc CPU (Post 4571310)
Hi there,



I understand every single word of your post, but I'm sorry that no sentence makes any sense to me. I don't understand what you're complaining about and what your problem is. Would you please rephrase your issue again, trying to look at it from someone else's point of view who isn't sitting inside your head?

[X] Doc CPU

I will second that request.

Lola Kews 01-11-2012 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doc CPU (Post 4571310)
Hi there,



I understand every single word of your post, but I'm sorry that no sentence makes any sense to me. I don't understand what you're complaining about and what your problem is. Would you please rephrase your issue again, trying to look at it from someone else's point of view who isn't sitting inside your head?

[X] Doc CPU


I will try again. I'm a "Blond", maybe that is the problem, LOL.

I downloaded Ubuntu 10.4 from there website following there instructions exactly and stored it on my desktop, it's an iso file.
http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download here you can see exactly the steps if you want.

I then again followed there instructions exactly and created a CD-R of the ISO file.

The file (on the disk) seems fine, it has all the different folders that one normally sees. However when I restart the computer to read the disk, it doesn't. I got a note saying couldn't find the "auto run file". However that file is there.


The CD/DVD drive used to perform this is a brand new Asus DRW -24B1ST, it's a Sata drive. I have no IDE drives.

I thought that maybe it was the "Drive order" that was causing it to run past the CD/DVD drive so fast and that was causing the problem so I went into the BIOS to check the drive order.
However Sata drives (Hard disk or DVD) have no order in the BIOS, it's not like when one had a Sata hard drive and an IDE DVD drive and you could change the drive order to put your DVD drive first before the Hard drive and it would then pause at the DVD drive.

Problem: How do I get the system to read the CD drive, or, is it reading the drive and the instructions for creating the disk from the downloaded ISO file incorrect?


I hope this is clearer, I had been having one bad day!

widget 01-11-2012 02:48 PM

That is somewhat clearer.

Did you check the md5sum of the iso image before burning it to a disk?

What did you use to burn the disk? Some disk writing tools are better than others.

I would like you to recheck your bios. There has to be some sort of boot order setting there. I boot regularly, for instance from a dual sata hdd external enclosure that is connected through a usb port.

If you have a computer using the old pata type tape connectors they can boot from cd/dvd rom drive using that same connection.

I don't see that as an excuse. I have 2 internal sata drives and an internal sata DVD RW drive. My Dell bios lets me boot from the USB drive, CD/DVD drive or internal HDD drive. As a matter of fact that is the order that they are set in.

If you look at the bottom of this post you will see the specs for my box (minus my video and audio cards I see - better fix that) and it might be a good idea for you to do something similar or at least give some indication of the hardware you are using.

We also have no idea what OS you are using when doing these things. From your mention of "auto run" I can guess that you are using some MS product but that is about it.

If this is a new computer there may not be an option to boot from a CD/DVD drive or USB drive for some security reason. I would be checking the manual on that issue and perhaps having a chat with the vendor. While I can see some excuse for this in terms of security there has to be a way around it for recovery work.

Doc CPU 01-11-2012 03:29 PM

Hi there,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lola Kews (Post 4572132)
I will try again. I'm a "Blond", maybe that is the problem, LOL.

that's a lame excuse - I know quite a few very clever blondes. :-)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lola Kews (Post 4572132)
I then again followed there instructions exactly and created a CD-R of the ISO file.

The file (on the disk) seems fine, it has all the different folders that one normally sees. However when I restart the computer to read the disk, it doesn't. I got a note saying couldn't find the "auto run file". However that file is there.

Stop! Wait a second!
How exactly did you create the CD? It sounds like you just put the ISO file on a fresh data CD, plus some autorun stuff (which is a nuisance of Windows). - Ah, looking at my own old 10.04 image, I see it does in fact contain an autorun.inf file, in case you want to start the Wubi installer from within Windows. Better forget about that.
If you look at the directory of your CD, does it show the ISO file as such? If so, you're wrong. There should be directories like ".disk", "casper", "dists", and so on.
There must be an option in your CD burning software like "Write image" or "Create CD from image". That's what you should go for.

And then - who or what complains about the missing autorun file? The PC BIOS would never search for a file like that when it tries to boot from a CD. It would either successfully boot the CD, or just see that the CD isn't bootable, and go on booting from HDD without any error or notice.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lola Kews (Post 4572132)
I thought that maybe it was the "Drive order" that was causing it to run past the CD/DVD drive so fast and that was causing the problem so I went into the BIOS to check the drive order.
However Sata drives (Hard disk or DVD) have no order in the BIOS, it's not like when one had a Sata hard drive and an IDE DVD drive and you could change the drive order to put your DVD drive first before the Hard drive and it would then pause at the DVD drive.

Huh? I have several SATA-only PCs here, but they all have at least the boot options "Hard disk", "CD/DVD" and "USB". It doesn't matter whether it's IDE or SATAN.

[X] Doc CPU

Lola Kews 01-14-2012 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doc CPU (Post 4572210)
Hi there,



that's a lame excuse - I know quite a few very clever blondes. :-)



Stop! Wait a second!
How exactly did you create the CD? It sounds like you just put the ISO file on a fresh data CD, plus some autorun stuff (which is a nuisance of Windows). - Ah, looking at my own old 10.04 image, I see it does in fact contain an autorun.inf file, in case you want to start the Wubi installer from within Windows. Better forget about that.
If you look at the directory of your CD, does it show the ISO file as such? If so, you're wrong. There should be directories like ".disk", "casper", "dists", and so on.
There must be an option in your CD burning software like "Write image" or "Create CD from image". That's what you should go for.

And then - who or what complains about the missing autorun file? The PC BIOS would never search for a file like that when it tries to boot from a CD. It would either successfully boot the CD, or just see that the CD isn't bootable, and go on booting from HDD without any error or notice.



Huh? I have several SATA-only PCs here, but they all have at least the boot options "Hard disk", "CD/DVD" and "USB". It doesn't matter whether it's IDE or SATAN.

[X] Doc CPU

Doc CPU you're exactly right, I did copy the downloaded ISO directly to a CD-R disk.
That is exactly how the Ubuntu site tells one to do it. You can look here and see for your self: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download

I know this is not how it used to be done and probably still isn't. It's been a while since I did it so lease remind me how to do it correctly.
I sent Ubuntu an email Thursday asking them why this was the procedure they advised when it did not work, I haven't heard back yet.

I even tried it again using the program "K3B" but still following there instructions, still a no go!
I couldn't find download/installation instructions on this (LQ) site. I did download from this web site.

widget 01-14-2012 03:32 PM

In k3b did you select to burn an image?

Did you check the md5sum of the image you downloaded?

Lola Kews 01-14-2012 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by widget (Post 4574597)
In k3b did you select to burn an image?

Did you check the md5sum of the image you downloaded?


Widget, I did everything you suggested and more.

When I just stopped and started to think, it still seemed like a drive order situation, lights on the drive were coming on, but not pausing long enough!

So, I entered the BIOS for the 4th time, and there was an entry for drive order! Why I couldn't get it before, I don't know!
Anyway, I changed the drive order and everything is fine now. The downloaded ISO file created a disk that worked just fine.

Now I have to send an apology email to Ubuntu, (you also by the way), it was the things you said that led me to keep working in the "BIOS", thanks a LOT! Everything is now great!
Thanks and take care.

widget 01-14-2012 06:23 PM

Well it is good to hear it got sorted out.

Not a big fan of Ubuntu but their CDs do usually work.

Sometimes you have to hold your mouth just right to navigate in bios.

It would be good to mark this as solved. That is under "Thread Tools" at the top of this page.


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