Because Debian still uses KDE 3.3 I switch to Ubuntu
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I thought KDE 3.4 that only adds some basic things to KDE 3.3 like Accessibility and I forget the two other things that are different depended upon what kernel and X-Window System server you were running.
I'm not upgrading to 3.4 because I don't need those three new things or was it one?!
EDIT: Now that the two threads have been merged I look look like I'm repeating myself but I'm not.
just instaled ubuntu....
-kde 3.4 looks good and is faster that the older KDE(maybe xorg has something to do with this)(if ubuntu has .debs for kde why debian has not !? see the previous post)
-had little problems with network config
-noticed the reduced download speed from ubuntu site
-the same mp3 problem like Redhat(these patents are killing me )
-the locked state of the superuser(root)"In Ubuntu, the traditional UNIX 'root' account is disabled"
-the kernel is not displaying so much text (I had quiet in debian)
-some packages are newer on debian ftp(valknut(dcgui-qt))
-comes with drivers(for ati nvidia matrox;not open source because of the companies) this is a big + for Ubuntu
Maybe i will get back to debian. for a few days I will test Ubuntu....
Well... I use fluxbox now because KDE and GNOME are memory monsters.
After seeing the kdelibs hack on linuxsecurity.com I gave up on KDE for my work box. My test lab is different because clients want to know how their software works in every type of Linux or *BSD environment there is. Which is why the Fedora thing wasn't pleasant with me and then there was kdat. IT's one thing to have to update one system using yum, but what about 20 different kinds of computers running on a LAN with no internet access! ugh.
But if you like 3.4 so much the better for you. Of course it takes days after a release for the Debian Security team to authorize that KDE 3.4 is ok (as in no new unknown exploits), they will give the go ahead for packages to be made for 3.4 for all Debian releases. Just so you know WHY it's not in there yet.
Originally posted by towjamb I agree with the first statement. The rest is hogwash.
Debian release cycle is slow? Compared to Fedora, yes, but compared to Windows XP ... Debian only releases when it is ready, period. Why sacrifice quality and stability for peer pressure? If you are too impatient, then there is a world of distributions for every need. Just stop criticizing.
For the desktop there is testing, unstable and experimental trees to pick from. And if you have the CLI 'nads, you can always compile what you need. Your statement of outdated packages is simply false. I'll admit there is extra work involved setting things up and you may in instances trade stability for bleeding-edge but this is the same with every distro.
If you find Sarge dated, track Etch, which will be the next testing. It's what I plan to do.
Big defection from Debian? I'm sorry but where is it you are getting your facts, and are there even any statistics tracking Debian usage. Did you not read recently that the city of Munich has just adopted Debian for servers and desktops? This is real evidence, not speculation. New distros will come and go, that's a given, but I can assure you as a devout Debian user, I will not defect on a whim for yet another pretty face.
I mean you no offense, but please stick to the facts.
You are entitled to your own points of view, whether you think my post is hogwash or not. Like I said in my post if you are running a server or require stability go for Debian. If you require bleeding edge packages and features go for Ubuntu or other Debian derivatives. When I said defections from Debian, I was referring to individuals who wanted a cutting edge distro based on Debian but with security updates. This is evident in the number of people who are not using Debian itself but its derivatives particularly Ubuntu. I was not referring to enterprises which is what the City of Munich can be classified as.
As for packages being outdated, I don't need to justify that, its evident in the distro. This is obviously due to the fact that they need to make sure that only stable stuff is shipped with the distro. As for the releases being slow, well, compared to other Linux distros, even enterprise class linux distros, Debian is slow at releasing a stable distro. I am not flaming Debian, but stating my personal point of view about the distro.
Both threads merged. zvonSully, having a slightly outdated version of KDE is hardly a good reason to switch your whole distro. Did you think of adding repositories, searching out the packages or anything other than blindly switching?
Originally posted by zvonSully I dont want to "look harder" i want to find kde 3.4 and xorg on ftp.debian.org .
Well sorry then. You won't find them there until after Sarge goes stable (and I predict rather quickly as well after that) or in the case of KDE 3.4 unless you look harder. I don't spoonfeed unless someone has shown a willingness to at LEAST do a google search for alternate repositories. If you want it, you want it. If you don't want to even find and add a repository, then you can't want it that bad.
Personally I really looked forward to the Hoary release, it was nice to check out Gnome 2.10, but the stability issues I encountered were more than enough to put me off and give me the patience to wait for the real thing .
Re: Because Debian still uses KDE 3.3 I switch to Ubuntu
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Originally posted by zvonSully just instaled ubuntu....
-kde 3.4 looks good and is faster that the older KDE(maybe xorg has something to do with this)(if ubuntu has .debs for kde why debian has not !? see the previous post)
-had little problems with network config
-noticed the reduced download speed from ubuntu site
-the same mp3 problem like Redhat(these patents are killing me )
-the locked state of the superuser(root)"In Ubuntu, the traditional UNIX 'root' account is disabled"
-the kernel is not displaying so much text (I had quiet in debian)
-some packages are newer on debian ftp(valknut(dcgui-qt))
-comes with drivers(for ati nvidia matrox;not open source because of the companies) this is a big + for Ubuntu
Maybe i will get back to debian. for a few days I will test Ubuntu....
for the mp3 thing, check out the "unofficial ubuntu start guide" google it, it'll help you with little details like that, plus lots of other setup tasks.
to set a root passwd, do
sudo passwd root
enter your password, then the root password twice
also, if you're just checking out ubuntu, be sure to see kubuntu-desktop
There are still bugs in it and Gnome 2.10. They will both probably move into Sid once Etch becomes testing. There was an anoouncement somewhere but now I can't seem to find it.
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