Why do you hate SUSE?
 

It is just an observation: As soon as SUSE launches a new release, post like "9.2 sucks" or "suse is kind of a rat" pop-up or old threads with similar titles are reactivated. In other threads, people start advertising their favourite distributions with false statements like "SUSE is not available for free". What is your problem with SUSE?

Okay, I must admit that I never used something else than SUSE. I tried once with Mandrake, but the installer didn't run on my desktop. I used KNOPPIX a couple of times, after I crashed my system with experiments. Doesn't make me an expert in other distros. But if you like your distro, what makes you disliking SUSE so much? Is it because hating Microsoft is not 'en vogue' anymore? So we pick the next company that wants to make some money? Do you experience similar things in the RedHat forum? Probably!

Or is it YaST? Is your problem that SUSE has developed a tool that was exclusive for SUSE-Linux? Hey, good news, YaST is open-source now. But you already have condemned YaST for being too Windows-like, for not being APT, or for whatever. It would be hard to change your mind, wouldn't it?

Come on people, it's Linux! Isn't this all that matters?

Just leave it. Everyone has their own favourite distribution that they claim is the "best". Use whatever you are comfortable with.


Håkan

I usually get this feeling with the new version of SuSE (whichever one) as there are usually some irritating bugs, which are ironed out over the following couple of months.

The "this version of SuSE" sucks posts are usually followed by "the previous version of SuSE was the best"

Solution: wait a couple of months after release of new version to install it.

I never can wait that long, but always wish I did....

FWIW, last I heard, Linus himself used Suse. . .

I removed Suse 9.1 in favor of a new Slack install.

Why? The main reason was Suse just seemed too bulky and jam-packed, and as a result it seemed sluggish on my laptop.

As far as usability, i think it's great - it configured almost all of my hardware and YAST was a breeze to use for setting up the rest. It's probably a great distro for a Windows replacement, but I wanted to learn Linux, so I went for a lighter, more hands-on distro.

Re: Why do you hate SUSE?
 

Yep.

The few times I have delved back into SuSE (somewhere late 6.x, mid 7.x and again with 9.x) YaST seemed to know what I wanted a lot better than I did, or at least that was always my impression. The more I'd try to tweak something, the more I'd be irritated because upon reboot, new software install, menu update, or breathing too heavy, YaST would decide that the changes I made weren't good enough and it would revert them to it's own settings.

I know I know, you probably want examples, but being a while back, and this being a subjective thread that I'm not looking for assistance on, I don't really have any specific examples.

Other than that, if I hadn't had a clue about Linux or how to tweak things to my liking, SuSE would have probably been a great distro to get into Linux on; and to further that, if I had given it more of a chance and I had learned how to use YaST to my advantage, I'm sure it would have been very powerful for the heavy user.

Cool

Exactly.

I couldn't have said it better myself.
Also it seems that with every release there are a couple of major changes of how everything works, which can be quite irritating until you find out the solution.
E.G. last year the fam daemon was disabled by default.
This year they have modified the firewall and I haven't still found out how to open a range of ports.
And finally I wish there was more flexibilty about the way they sell SUSE: I had made a big collection of bulky SUSE boxes which I gave away.
People don't need bulky manuals every time. So please sell just the CDs/DVDs to people who want that: it is a win-win solution, because manuals must be very expensive to print.
And PLEASE go back to single layer DVDs, because the majority of people are unable to back up dual-layer ones.

Other than that SUSE is a fine distro and a very reliable workhorse.

as for yast overwriting your config files, if yast will overwrite the file, the developer(s) will make a note of it at the top of the file and suggest where to make your local changes. not really a big deal to do, but can drive you nuts if you're not aware of it.

saying that a distro is best or sucks is lame!

you have to know that every distro was built with a purpose (desktop, server, stability, entreprise and so on).

the user has his needs and looks for a distro that fits his needs.

if he don't like one distro this didn't mean that it sucks, it simply didn't fit his needs!

the problem is that there are many users that don't know their needs and blaming the distro!

you know people, I think that windoze fit well that kind of users, they don't give a *tihs ;) about user's needs and users adore that, to impose things -> they are doing a dumb thing for dumb people! is simple and it works, I admire them for that because they give people what people wants!

once we give the choice there the problems begins because Linux just give you what the other people wants :)

I like SuSE with its bugs with all, with its ups & downs, this don't make it the best but it didn't suck either, it's a question of choice and knowing what you want!

Personally I really enjoy SuSE. I have been using it since 8.1, which I really wanted to hang onto, but the discontinued issue over took me. However, SuSE 9.2 was for FREE, so this made up for it, in my mind. SuSE 9.2 works so well on my machine, and everyday, unlike using M$ Windows XP Home, I thoroughly enjoy it like piratu said,
Well so do I. :D

In my time I have used many different distros from Red Hat, Mandrake, Debian (This one is cool also), and others. However, in my opinion SuSE is the leader in usability, easy setup, and friendly environment. There are many other things too, but I will leave it at that.

When it comes to YaST, well I really like it, but to keep up with the latest greatest rpm's I use Synaptic APT. I believe that the YaST system is much more appealing than Synaptic, but APT updating is .. well ?bleeding edge?. Both are excellent packages and I really enjoy them.

Linux is linux, and open source is a God send. Open source and the linux community has allowed people to use powerful software at no, or little cost, pending on your choice.

These days are really exciting. Linux is better than it has ever been, and everyday I am so very thankful for this OS. Keep up the great work everyone. :)

The problem I had with my laptop and the 2.6 kernels was narrowed down to the mouse pad scroll area not working as a wheel. (HP pavilion)

I decided to give it another go last weekend with SuSE 9.2, I had 9.0 on here for quite a while.

Yast did not get the mouse pad working as I was expecting already. No other distro I 've tried did either with a 2.6 kernel.

After I did a bit of tweeking I got it to work perfectly and Yast has not changed my config. If I were to try to use sax to change something it would probably change but since there should be no need to use sax at this point it's ok.

I have (a newly installed) Mandrake 10.1, RedHat 7.3 (been there forever), and SuSE 9.2 installed now on different machines. I guess it's still a matter of opinion.

SuSE is a great distro in my opinion.

As stated above there are config files named something like .local for setting up your options that will override the default config files options.

Probably could use one for X as well. I have not looked into that.

Hmm...it does takes my Suse 9.2 laptop to boot up twice as long as my Windows partition (when I used to have a Windows partition on my laptop).
I was about to ask why was my Linux (Suse 9.2) partition taking twice as long to boot up.

Maybe I should buy a 'leaner' distribution?

hit f2 while it's booting, it's not "waiting for manditory interfaces" is it.

no, a faster laptop! ;)