Ok, downloaded 10.1, updated a machine with a quadro4 dual head from 10.0. Fresh install on a P4 with an MX400 video card (dual head). Both setups worked great with 10.0.

Now, 10.1 doesn't recognize the Quadro 4, and SAX doesn't give me any NVidia options witht the MX400 card!

Legacy you might say? Well, our lovely 10.1 doesn't work with a brand new GeForce 7600XT dual head PCI-e either!!

I had hoped that the hand configuring of xorg files (at least with nvidia cards) was a thing of the past with SUSE. I guess not. Something that worked very well in 10.0 doesn't work at all in 10.1, and the useless SAX module doesn't allow ANY options for manually identifying a video card.

Way to go guys. We should be back to 1993 functionality by 10.5 at this rate.

The biggest problem I came across was wireless. It's too bad they screwed so many things up. SUSE could be a great operating system. I did notice though that there were some bugs from 10.0 that were fixed. Overall, 10.1 is definitely worse than 10.0. Maybe the next release will be better

For me, it seems very solid; aside from the online update system, which is buggy.

I couldn't find any Nvidia 3D support except for "tiny-nvidia-installer" which did the trick with 10.0 and 10.1 RC3. With SuSE 10.1 GM release the process breaks the GUI hard preventing login higher than level 3. There were other faults created that made it impossible to be successful with repairs. A new clean install was required and we'll have to wait for 3D support. I'm surprised it was released like this and even more surprised that there were no release notes on this missing capability.

Get the drivers off the Nvidia site. 3D support is built in.

I will most likely be going back to 10.0 also. I think they should have released without the new installer / updater.
I am considering going to FC5 which I have installed and it worked well.

tiny-nvidia-installer downloads the nvidia driver from their site and compiles the driver against the SuSE supplied kernel sources.

This is true. However, I'm a believer in 'the more moving parts, the greater the chance of something going wrong.'

I have not had as many problems as other people, but I agree with the general sentiment that this release is not very good. The software management tool is so buggy, its difficult to do any package management tasks. I wonder why there was urgency to replace the previous system that worked just fine. Also wireless support is not as good as it was in 10.0. My wireless cards won't work with Suse 10.1 but work fine with 10.0 so I have stuck with 10.0 on my laptop.

For you guys with advice, thanks, but I know HOW to get it working. My issue is that we went from a check box in a GUI back to having to load the damn thing by hand, compiling a kernel module, installing it, then configuring it, mainly from the command line. WTF?

With the 7600GT, you have to go a step further and remember to load the kernel source during the initial install because there is no GUI until after you compile,load, and configure the NVidia driver and you can't do that without the source already there. They couldn't even get a generic driver to work at low resolution with a mainstream card!

None of these things are a problem if you understand the system, have some legacy experience with Linux and want to spend 5 minutes dicking around. Problem is, what do the other 98% of computer users do? Stick with Windows? you bet. With this kind of "upgrade" Linux is its own worst enemy.

Ok.. i have mine just about all set, and I like it.. Once you work out all the little bugs, it's really good.

The network manager is VERY good..

y2pmsh is good, and YaST is just buggy along with the software installer etc..

I think its wrong to generalise about Linux in this manner, when your issues are specific to Suse. I do agree with you though that the problems in Suse 10.1 can easily drive away people who are not very tech savvy.

I wish I could use it. It doesn't seem to integrate properly with my wireless driver, so I'm just using the usual method.

You are right, it would be wrong to generalize about Linux in response to problems with one distro. However, this isn't a general Linux thread, is it? And even if it was, SUSE is one of the most popular and exposed distributions. If SUSE gets it wrong it is a MUCH bigger deal to the perception Linux generally than, say, if it is a version of Yellow Dog or even PCLinux that is buggy, no?

So technically, I agree with you, but in practical terms SUSE pulling a boner, especially at this point, is a big deal as to how Linux could be perceived by the masses.

How so? It's hard to believe that they took another step backwards (10.0 was buggy compared to 9.3). I had to resort to the command line and editing quite a few files to get samba and KDE to cooperate properly. The GUI tools just messed things up, SaX2 in 10.0 was completely broken, and the Exchange connector for Evolution was a piece of crap (a non-issue for us now that we've finally migrated away from Exchange).