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Old 07-29-2008, 08:23 PM   #31
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The chainloading makes sense, particularly in this situation?? I noticed the OP had two different entries for windows (hd1,0) and (hd0,0) in his initial post and am wondering if he had sda disconnected during the opensuse 11 install or switched drives in BIOS.

Well, hopefully he has everything working now.
 
Old 07-30-2008, 02:30 AM   #32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aus9 View Post
.......of course I am hoping Toby has successfully re-installed opensuse and the installer has put grub files into
sdb1 /boot/grub
Yes, the computer is now in a 'best guess, this really should work' state...


Quote:
Originally Posted by aus9 View Post
redo grub commands from within suse on sda to ensure its right
Gives these responses:

Code:
grub> root (hd0,2)
 Filesystem type is reiserfs, partition type 0x83

grub> setup (hd0)
 Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... yes
 Checking if "/boot/grub/stage2" exists... yes
 Checking if "/boot/grub/reiserfs_stage1_5" exists... yes
 Running "embed /boot/grub/reiserfs_stage1_5 (hd0)"...  18 sectors are embedded
.
succeeded
 Running "install /boot/grub/stage1 (hd0) (hd0)1+18 p (hd0,2)/boot/grub/stage2
/boot/grub/menu.lst"... succeeded
Done.

grub> root (hd1,0)
 Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83

grub> setup (hd1)
 Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... no
 Checking if "/grub/stage1" exists... no

Error 2: Bad file or directory type
This is odd because if I mount sdb1 as in previous posts the contents are all there and look correct (ie. files are not zero size). I've also used my openSUSE CD in some clean installations and they boot fine so the CD is OK.

I added this entry to sda/boot/grub/menu.lst:
Quote:
Originally Posted by aus9 View Post
title opensuse on sdb
root (hd1,0)
chainloader +1
The computer booted, gave me the menu, and selecting the above entry gives this response, an old favourite that I've seen a lot...
Code:
root (hd1,0)
Error 25: Disk read error
There is obviously something that Grub really doesn't like about a second disk and my only guess is that it's the second SATA disk as I assume as PATA disks have been around for years that someone has tried that constellation before?

Last edited by HellesAngel; 07-30-2008 at 02:40 AM.
 
Old 07-30-2008, 02:44 AM   #33
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Originally Posted by yancek View Post
I noticed the OP had two different entries for windows (hd1,0) and (hd0,0) in his initial post
Well spotted... This comes from YaST's 'merge menu.lst from different partitions' function which would be quite clever if it resulted in something that boots!

Quote:
Originally Posted by yancek View Post
Well, hopefully he has everything working now.
Nope... Still the same. I understand a lot more about Grub now, but still it doesn't work and this is well beyond my understanding.

Thanks for your continued support - any further ideas? I think I'll go to the openSUSE site and open a bug report....

Edit: I scanned openSUSE's bug database and found this grub installation into mbr of second disk impossible which sounds relevant, although I'm still not 100% clear about the role the MBR of each disk plays in a two disk setup where only one is required to actually 'boot' the computer, the other being required only to 'boot' the chosen OS.

OK, I took the plunge and opened a bug report: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=413135

Last edited by HellesAngel; 07-30-2008 at 03:11 AM.
 
Old 07-30-2008, 07:48 AM   #34
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umm yeah I hope you are right....just to eliminate tiny things about adding second drives.....did your bios detect it correctly?

are the connectors firmly in.

and I know they show up as sdX and not hdX but are they by any chance IDE or atapi drives?

if so, have you jumpered as cable select? instead of slave

2) thanks for the bug link....but we tried to install grub on sdb1 (root partition) and I read that bug as failing if tried for mbr of drive 2?

3) why don't you have a go and installing lilo into root partition sdb1?
You already have the chainloader for sda menu so maybe grub will boot to lilo and lilo will kick off opensuse?

I know you are more frustrated than me....but I have not liked opensuse when I tried it...when you made a system change the config scripts too bloody ages to run.

I am currently testing sidux....and altho I am not used to debian style it is looking awefully good.

You have more patience than me.....I was shocked when my trusty commands failed for you.
I felt like committing....no not really but I can not explain it. I hope it is a bug which means its an opensuse thing....but it damages grub's reputation all this headache.

thankyou very much for all the feedback responses you have given. Others may spot what I and yancek can not?
 
Old 08-24-2008, 10:14 PM   #35
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I've only just spotted th8is thread, so pardon me if I repeat things which have already been said. My desktop has two hdd's with Win2K, Suse 10.3, and Ubuntu 8.04 thus:

Code:
dougal:~ # fdisk -l

Disk /dev/sda: 41.1 GB, 41110142976 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4998 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x2ce62ce5

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *           1        1020     8193118+   7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda2            1021        4743    29904997+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/sda3            4744        4998     2048287+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda5            1021        2653    13117041    7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda6            2654        3698     8393931    7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda7            3699        4743     8393931    7  HPFS/NTFS

Disk /dev/sdb: 80.0 GB, 80026361856 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9729 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x00057f63

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1   *           1        1040     8353768+  83  Linux
/dev/sdb2            1041        9729    69794392+   5  Extended
/dev/sdb5            1041        3966    23503063+  83  Linux
/dev/sdb6            3967        4355     3124611   83  Linux
/dev/sdb7            4356        6395    16386268+  83  Linux
/dev/sdb8            6396        7287     7164958+  83  Linux
/dev/sdb9            7288        9327    16386268+  83  Linux
/dev/sdb10           9328        9729     3229033+   7  HPFS/NTFS
Notice both the 1st partitions are active. I suspect this is the root cause of HellesAngel's problem.

sda3 is the Linux swap & sdb10 is for the Win2K PageFile (a trick I learned with NT4 servers, which seems to make it faster). Suse 10.3 root is sdb1, and Ubuntu is in sdb9. Grub is on the MBR of sda, and Ubuntu was installed with Grub loaded to its partition, then I just copied the lines from it's menu.lst to the one for Suse.

I've used this same config on other boxes with various combinations and it has always worked, though on the most recent one I used chainload commands in the main OS menu.lst to point to the other Linux's. Makes it easier when you re-install them.
 
Old 08-25-2008, 03:47 AM   #36
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great answers. all you are lame at all.
 
Old 08-25-2008, 03:42 PM   #37
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Thanks for the reply - same output from my PC gives this:

Code:
hefty:/home/toby # fdisk -l

Disk /dev/sda: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1               1        3824    30716248+   7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda2            3825        3955     1052257+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda3   *        3956       19456   124511782+  83  Linux

Disk /dev/sdb: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1               1        2611    20972826   83  Linux
/dev/sdb2            2612       60801   467411175   83  Linux
Only sda3 is bootable. If there is a simple solution to this then I'm all eager! The PC is in the 'virgin install' state at the moment, ie. with a non-booting openSUSE 11.0 installation on sdb1 and fully working SuSE10.0 and Win2K on sda, so it would be easy to try anything out...
 
Old 08-25-2008, 07:42 PM   #38
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Back again to ask some questions and suggestions

1) In your first post, the sdb entry has a resume for sda swap.
Can you use a live cd and show us the /etc/fstab for sdb to prove fstab is using sda's swap pls?

2) SDB....has 2 partitions agreed.....but I am wondering if sdb1 is the /boot partition?
grub find ....finds actual files so if you have no vmlinuz on sdb1 it will not work but the vmlinzu-version x will


root (hd1,0)
try
find /grub/menu.lst
find /boot/grub/menu.lst

If top line works...you have a separate /boot partition otherwise the next line should work.....and if the next one fails.....grrrrr.

3) bootable flag.....did you try to toggle the bootable flag I suggested earlier?
 
Old 08-26-2008, 01:45 AM   #39
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Thanks for the continuing help! The bug report at SUSE is grinding through the process but let's attack from every angle:

Code:
hefty:/home/toby # mount -t ext2 /dev/sdb1 /mnt/opensuse11
hefty:/home/toby # cd /mnt/opensuse11/
hefty:/mnt/opensuse11 # cd etc/
hefty:/mnt/opensuse11/etc # cat fstab
/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_SAMSUNG_SP1614C0696J1FWC04942-part2 swap    swap       defaults              0 0
/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_SAMSUNG_HD502IJS13TJ1CQ301928-part1 /    ext3       acl,user_xattr        1 1
/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_SAMSUNG_HD502IJS13TJ1CQ301928-part2 /home    ext3       acl,user_xattr        1 2
/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_SAMSUNG_SP1614C0696J1FWC04942-part1 /windows/C    ntfs-3g    users,gid=users,fmask=133,dmask=022,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0
proc                 /proc                proc       defaults              0 0
sysfs                /sys                 sysfs      noauto                0 0
debugfs              /sys/kernel/debug    debugfs    noauto                0 0
devpts               /dev/pts             devpts     mode=0620,gid=5       0 0
So that looks OK.

Then from grub:
Code:
grub> root (hd1,0)
 Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83

grub> find /grub/menu.lst

Error 15: File not found
grub> setup (hd1,0)
 Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... no
 Checking if "/grub/stage1" exists... no

Error 2: Bad file or directory type
Same result as before. I did some playing with fdisk:
Code:
hefty:/mnt/opensuse11/etc # fdisk -l

Disk /dev/sda: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1               1        3824    30716248+   7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda2            3825        3955     1052257+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda3   *        3956       19456   124511782+  83  Linux

Disk /dev/sdb: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1   *           1        2611    20972826   83  Linux
/dev/sdb2   *        2612       60801   467411175   83  Linux
I didn't realise all partitions could be bootable, but still not boot...
 
Old 08-26-2008, 02:01 AM   #40
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So, now I get the following on boot to openSUSE 11.0:
Code:
root (hd1,0)
Error 25: Disk read error
The entry for booting to openSUSE 11.0 came from Yast where I did a merge from the sdb grub configuration. There may be something badly merged there, but it looks fair enough.

From sda the configuration files are now:
device.map:
Code:
(hd0)	/dev/sda
(hd1)	/dev/sdb
menu.lst:
Code:
# Modified by YaST2. Last modification on Tue Aug 26 08:58:51 CEST 2008

color white/blue black/light-gray
default 0
timeout 8
gfxmenu (hd0,2)/boot/message

###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux###
title SUSE LINUX 10.0
    root (hd0,2)
    kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda3 vga=0x31a selinux=0    resume=/dev/sda2  splash=silent showopts
    initrd /boot/initrd

###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: openSUSE 11.0 (/dev/sdb1) (/dev/sdb2)###

title openSUSE 11.0 (/dev/sdb1) (/dev/sdb2)
    kernel (hd1,0)/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.25.5-1.1-default root=/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_SAMSUNG_HD502IJS13TJ1CQ301928-part1 vga=0x31a resume=/dev/sda2 splash=silent showopts
    initrd (hd1,0)/boot/initrd-2.6.25.5-1.1-default

###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: Failsafe -- openSUSE 11.0 (/dev/sdb1) (/dev/sdb2)###

title Failsafe -- openSUSE 11.0 (/dev/sdb1) (/dev/sdb2)
    kernel (hd1,0)/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.25.5-1.1-default root=/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_SAMSUNG_HD502IJS13TJ1CQ301928-part1 vga=0x31a showopts ide=nodma apm=off acpi=off noresume nosmp noapic maxcpus=0 edd=off x11failsafe
    initrd (hd1,0)/boot/initrd-2.6.25.5-1.1-default

###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: Windows (/dev/sdb2)###

title Windows (/dev/sdb2)
    chainloader (hd0,0)+1

###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: 2.6.13-15.18-smp (/dev/sdb2)###

title 2.6.13-15.18-smp (/dev/sdb2)
    root (hd0,2)
    kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.13-15.18-smp root=/dev/sda3 vga=0x31a selinux=0    resume=/dev/sda2  splash=silent showopts
    initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.13-15.18-smp

###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: windows###
title Windows
    chainloader (hd0,0)+1

###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: failsafe###
title Failsafe -- SUSE LINUX 10.0
    root (hd0,2)
    kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda3 vga=normal showopts ide=nodma apm=off acpi=off noresume selinux=0 nosmp noapic maxcpus=0 edd=off  3
    initrd /boot/initrd

###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: 2.6.13-15.18-smp###

title 2.6.13-15.18-smp
    root (hd0,2)
    kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.13-15.18-smp root=/dev/sda3 vga=0x31a selinux=0    resume=/dev/sda2  splash=silent showopts
    initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.13-15.18-smp
grub.conf:
Code:
setup --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 (hd0,2) (hd0,2)
setup --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 (hd0) (hd0,2)
quit
All looks fair enough, I don't know enough about the rest to know what's good or bad...
 
Old 08-26-2008, 02:58 AM   #41
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hangon Hell

run that past me again.....the last bit.

Where exactly is this grub.conf file?

Its not right....its not right.....IMHO .... yippee....could be the source of the error.

1) I assume its a /etc/grub.conf on suse 10....sda.?

2) What I am proposing....assuming you are now multi-skilled in using a live cd....is use root powers to make that file unreadable or better still move it to your /home.

redo grub.

I do not like that file.....hint hint.

I think suse has got the wrong end of the stick and is attempting to do map command on you when it...suse grub on sda....should be able to chainload suse on sdb. And that map command will explain why its not finding its menu files because it says HD0,2.....sorry for the shout.....but grub is now looking at sda partition 3....OMG what a stuff up

3) So attempt 1.....move it to /home and see if you can reboot into sda suse
then if ok......lets redo those chainloader command for grub to chainload to sdb1....with a chainloader menu for suse on sda.

Code:
su
grub
root (hd1,0)
setup (hd1,0)
quit
must say succeeded on last line or I have failed yet again.

If succeeded change suse on sda menu.lst so you have

title sdb chainloader
root (hd1,0)
chainloader +1



I shall wait before expanding on my ideas,

Last edited by aus9; 08-26-2008 at 03:04 AM.
 
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Which Opensuse is the grub.conf from? I have a similar setup with two versions of suse. Here is my /etc/grub.conf from the first partition which would be equivalent to your 10.0, mine is on sdb1:


root (hd1,0)
install --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 /boot/grub/stage1 d (hd0) /boot/grub/stage20x8000 (hd1,0)/boot/grub/menu.lst
quit

Below are the contents of opensuse 10.3 on hdb11

setup --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 (hd1,10) (hd1,10)
quit

I expect your contents will be different but, the important part I see is that the entries you show point to the third partition on the first drive when they should be pointing to (hd1,0). This applies only if the last post of yours for "grub.conf" was from opensuse11.0. I'd suggest taking a look at the /etc/grub.conf in 10.0 and 11.0 and comparing them.
 
Old 08-26-2008, 03:39 PM   #43
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Many thanks for the suggestions - following aus9's idea I moved /etc/grub.conf on sda3 (the SUSE 10.0) out of the way. Then I'm not sure what you meant by redo grub so I tried:

Code:
grub> root (hd0,2)
 Filesystem type is reiserfs, partition type 0x83

grub> setup (hd0,2)
 Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... yes
 Checking if "/boot/grub/stage2" exists... yes
 Checking if "/boot/grub/reiserfs_stage1_5" exists... yes
 Running "embed /boot/grub/reiserfs_stage1_5 (hd0,2)"...  18 sectors are embedd
ed.
succeeded
 Running "install /boot/grub/stage1 (hd0,2) (hd0,2)1+18 p (hd0,2)/boot/grub/sta
ge2 /boot/grub/menu.lst"... succeeded
Done.
But this did not re-create /etc/grub.conf on sda3.

Then:
Code:
hefty:/home/toby # grub-install /dev/sda3
Installation finished. No error reported.
This is the contents of the device map /boot/grub/device.map.
Check if this is correct or not. If any of the lines is incorrect,
fix it and re-run the script `grub-install'.

(hd0)   /dev/sda
(hd1)   /dev/sdb
Also still no /etc/grub.conf on sda3.

The computer is booted normally using the SUSE10.0 installation on sda3 - is it necessary to reboot using the live CD to apply these changes?

The next steps you suggested bring the following, sadly predictable results:
Code:
grub> root (hd1,0)
 Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83

grub> setup (hd1,0)
 Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... no
 Checking if "/grub/stage1" exists... no

Error 2: Bad file or directory type
I'll put grub.conf back and have a look at yancek's suggestions...
 
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Can you boot any OS now? If so can you boot a Suse? Being honest you all have lost me half way down the second page. aus9 you were probably right in suggesting he boot by chainloading. When making changes to Suse's boot order or config files I found it best to do through YaST because they have changed the name of some of the directories. But if he does not have one Suse that will boot then he will probably have to do a repair or new install.
 
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ok sorry lets try that again.

when I asked where is this file....I assume your answer is /dev/sda3 for the one posted and /dev/sdb1 for the one not posted.

2) The one you did not move....from /dev/sdb1.....is that symbolically linked to /boot/grub/menu.lst?

What I want you to do, is to move all of these /etc/grub.conf out of their pathways or change their permissions to --- no read no write no execute.

I am thinking that the map command had stopped the manual commands I have previously failed to get working and looking at your post.....

my poor suggestion on redo grub I shall explain again.

P1) I assume you have still moved sd A /etc/grub.conf away from /etc so boot a live cd to move sdb1

if live cd does not automatically mount sdb1 with read write powers you will need to umount the read only sdb1...or if its not mounted in any way just follow the next bit
You may of course have a live cd that already mounts in read/write mode maybe at /mnt/sdb1?


Code:
su
mkdir /z
mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /z
Then navigate with root powers file manager to /z/etc/ and move that grub.conf please.

Then issue command
umount /z
for P3


P2) redo grub for sda within live cd

Code:
su
grub
root (hd0,2)
root (hd0)
quit
as prev discussed must give you a succeeded message.
Your last effort put a grub into your root partition of sda3 but left grub in mbr sda.

Forget the suse /etc/grub.conf please.

P3) Now the chainloader

Code:
su
grub
root (hd1,0)
setup (hd1,0)
quit
again we need a succeeded message.

P4) Lets review

grub redone for mbr in sda links to sda3's booting files
grub for sdb1 is in root of sdb1 and will need a chainload command from sda3's menu

Since you have already done the menu

try a reboot and see if you can get into sda3 as per Larry's question
Then try to get into sdb1

The bottom line is I think the reason why my previous commands did not work for you was the fact that suse has introduced a not needed etc files and one of them caused a map command to confuse the grub command for chainloading.

P5) If any part fails....do not proceed with the next bit.....and obviously if you can not boot sda....re-use the live cd to restore the /etc file in case I am wrong?


good luck

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