what is the current status of opensolaris?

ultimate_linux · 08-30-2010, 05:31 AM

ever since oracle taken over sun microsystems,there has been huge speculation about the cancellation of opensolaris project.what is the present status now?

jlliagre · 08-30-2010, 05:49 AM

This was discussed here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...oracle-826493/ (not that I agree with the conclusions expressed there though ...).

syg00 · 08-30-2010, 06:05 AM

Must admit I've lost any enthusiasm - got better things to do with my time.

jlliagre · 08-30-2010, 06:30 AM

OpenSolaris is anything but dead:

http://blogs.sun.com/jimlaurent/entr...ris_11_in_2011
http://www.cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=1138
http://gdamore.blogspot.com/2010/08/...be-forced.html
http://dtrace.org/blogs/bmc/2010/08/...f-opensolaris/
http://dtrace.org/blogs/ahl/2010/08/...re-of-solaris/
http://trochejen.blogspot.com/2010/0...tructions.html

kebabbert · 09-07-2010, 12:49 PM

Jilliagre,
Here is instructions to upgrade to b145. See step no 3
http://www.illumos.org/projects/illu..._Build_Illumos

Does it mean that I can upgrade to b145 and everything works, or is just a crippled version? Like, no GUI or something similar? Is it the complete b145?

jlliagre · 09-07-2010, 02:46 PM

These instructions explain how to upgrade your kernel and related userland (a.k.a ON) to build 145. The GUI and many other components like the installer and the package management tools aren't part of ON so won't be touched/updated. This will have various side effects, like the nwam GUI not in phase with the low level implementation. Futures distributions based on illumos should provide a full OS.

KenJackson · 09-07-2010, 10:54 PM

What about related distros Project Indiana (Last modified by gman on 2010/02/05) and Belenix?

Early this year, both of those seemed excited and growing but then seemed to experience sudden death when Oracle made it's announcement.

I was very pleased that Sun was trying to compete with Linux head to head on merit, even encouraging distros à la Linux. But Oracle's purchase just seemed to throw a bucket of ice water on everybody.

I sure hope we are only seeing a brief pause for reorientation, but I wonder.

kebabbert · 09-08-2010, 02:33 AM

Jilliagre
So, upgrading might break my system? The kernel and userland upgrade, might not be aligned with the rest of the system such as GUI, etc? It is not adviced to upgrade?

KenJackson
There have been several Solaris 11 preview distros earlier from Sun. OpenSolaris is just one of the distros. All of them have been killed. Oracle is just killing another Solaris 11 preview distro. Solaris 11 Express from Oracle will be out in a few months.

a) Solaris Express Community Edition from Sun, has been killed.
b) Solaris Express Developer Edition from Sun, has been killed.
c) OpenSolaris from Sun, has been killed.
d) Solaris 11 Express from Oracle is out before this years end. It might be killed too, and renamed as a new distro, before Solaris 11 appears.

What is the problem with OpenSolaris being killed? It is just a Solaris 11 distro, among others being killed. Solaris 11 is not dead. Only a preview distro is dead.

jlliagre · 09-08-2010, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by kebabbert

Jilliagre

there's an extra "i" here.

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So, upgrading might break my system? The kernel and userland upgrade, might not be aligned with the rest of the system such as GUI, etc? It is not adviced to upgrade?

I didn't try it yet so I can't tell for sure. However, as I expect this process to be done on a new boot environment, there should always be a rollback path should something goes wrong. That's one of the great ZFS boot features.

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Originally Posted by KenJackson

What about related distros Project Indiana (Last modified by gman on 2010/02/05) and Belenix?

Project Indiana = the latest OpenSolaris distribution. The last ones available are 2009.06 and dev build 134 (2010/03). Outside ON which is no more updated since a couple of weeks, the largest part of its source code (~80%) is as far as I know still released. There is an unannounced yet project to provide an illumos based fully open source upgrade path from OpenSolaris.

Belenix is doing well. Their authors plan to use illumos as their core and are quite happy to be able now to focus on their main goal: a kde based distribution.

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Early this year, both of those seemed excited and growing but then seemed to experience sudden death when Oracle made it's announcement.

There was no official Oracle announcement I'm aware of.

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I was very pleased that Sun was trying to compete with Linux head to head on merit, even encouraging distros à la Linux.

Sun which was a large if not the larger company contributing to open source code found in a large number of Linux based installations wasn't competing with Linux (as an Open Source community) but with other commercial companies like Red Hat.

By the way, there is already a distribution based on illumos: Schillix 0.7.1i (~nv build147) released a couple of days ago: ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schillix/AN-0.7.1i . Beware that it is strongly lacking documentation.
Here are some tips/warnings:
- to log in, use "root" as both username and password (this is documented nowhere ...)
- add /usr/has/bin to your PATH otherwise you won't have "vi" in it.
- X11 was unusable with my laptop because of a messed up keyboard mapping.

KenJackson · 09-08-2010, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jlliagre

Belenix is doing well. Their authors plan to use illumos as their core and are quite happy to be able now to focus on their main goal: a kde based distribution.

I'm pleased to hear that. I wish they would mention it on their web site. I've not seen many thriving projects with dead web sites.

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Early this year, both of those seemed excited and growing but then seemed to experience sudden death when Oracle made it's announcement.

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Originally Posted by jlliagre

There was no official Oracle announcement I'm aware of.

At some point Oracle announced they were buying Sun. That's what I was talking about.
AFAICS, it has had a stifling effect on the many open source projects that Sun was driving.

I'm not interested in jumping through too many hoops to get OpenSolaris installed and useful. For some time now, a number of Linux distros have been at the stage where they're pretty simple to install and update. I was hoping OpenSolaris would approach that so I could start becoming comfortable using it also.

It sounds like you are saying that that may yet happen. I hope so.

jlliagre · 09-10-2010, 05:00 AM

http://openindiana.org/

AleLinuxBSD · 09-13-2010, 04:19 AM

Oracle Solaris 11 is the Future

I'm not optimistic but perhaps remain some hope for the future.*

Regardless what happen at opensolaris. :/

I used this OS for few times because i have installed it on a computer with few ram (Zfs require an "huge" ammount of Ram - well don't much huge for modern computer ... but mine isn't modern) but i like a lot its file system (Zfs) and i think even on pc desktop (given the hudge dimensions of the hdd available) is a lot usfeul.
Sure exist something similar even on linux (Btrfs) and perhaps now is event sufficient stable but unfortunately the linux community don't understand the benefit of a symilar file system even on home system (and i think is a real pity

).
On the recent ext 4 wasn't add anything similar.
Big distro, as for example on the new ubuntu 10.10, don't include Btrfs (for lack of time), so will add at the next release.

* If will be available a free edition and if the desktop area improve despite it isn't the primary tagert from Solaris.
But if even distro target as Enterprise as RHEL put some effort and the recent 6 could be used well even for desktop, i think even Solaris could make some effort on that direction.

druuna · 09-14-2010, 01:38 AM

Hi,

It's OpenIndiana day!

OpenIndiana - a new OpenSolaris Distribution!

mjolnir · 09-15-2010, 06:19 PM

http://wiki.openindiana.org:8080/dis...g+or+Upgrading

"You can upgrade an existing (x86) OpenSolaris system to OpenIndiana.
From the command line:

Code:

pfexec pkg set-publisher --non-sticky opensolaris.org
pfexec pkg set-publisher -p http://pkg.openindiana.org/dev
pfexec pkg set-publisher -P openindiana.org
pfexec pkg uninstall entire
pfexec pkg image-update

This will add OpenIndiana as a new boot environment (BE). You will still be able to use your previous OpenSolaris system until you remove the OpenSolaris BE or upgrade the ZFS pool to a newer version."

I haven't tried it yet so "buyer beware". I may give it a whirl in the morning. Be aware that you must already have 134 installed.

mjolnir · 09-20-2010, 09:54 AM

I tried to update this morning and encountered these errors:

Code:

Fred@opensolaris:~$ pfexec pkg set-publisher --non-sticky opensolaris.org
Fred@opensolaris:~$ pfexec pkg set-publisher -p http://pkg.openindiana.org/dev
pkg set-publisher:
  Added publisher(s): openindiana.org
Fred@opensolaris:~$ pfexec pkg set-publisher -P openindiana.org
Fred@opensolaris:~$ pfexec pkg image-update
DOWNLOAD                                  PKGS       FILES    XFER (MB)
library/desktop/libgweather             12/733   235/37176    4.5/478.9  


Errors were encountered while attempting to retrieve package or file data for
the requested operation.
Details follow:

1: http protocol error: code: 404 reason: Not Found
URL: 'http://pkg.openindiana.org/dev/file/0/0a2d5494af4140924cea2aba5fad50e8129643a0'. (happened 4 times)
2: http protocol error: code: 404 reason: Not Found
URL: 'http://pkg.openindiana.org/dev/file/0/0b49d1b23dd7564bf53dc4158727bced3ab4f7b4'. (happened 4 times)

Fred@opensolaris:~$

I think I will try a fresh install.